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#1 Posted : Monday, January 26, 2009 4:17:46 PM(UTC)
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From this new vendor whose Mashad I am interested in (until normal knowledgable people mitigate and bet they will):
http://rover.ebay.com/ro...&mtid=824&kw=lg

Is this not exceptional and with subtle warmth and verve? Too bad it is made by robot machine & of the stuff with the half life of nuclear waste. Tragic. I doesn't look phoned in in the images.....but it is.

It also has like 4 colors in total. But this....is a really good level of ersatz.
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#2 Posted : Monday, January 26, 2009 5:34:18 PM(UTC)
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Be careful on that one. Not only is it plastic, but it's one he has a hundred of, literally. I have seen that exact same carpet in a dozen sizes from him over the last few years. It's Target.

One of my objections to ebay is that they allow cheap fake stuff in with the real deal. They should separate out and put the machine made plastics in the housewares area with the tea towels and leave the better merchandise where it can be culled out without going through thousands of entries. I have bought a lot of kilims too and despise their adding in hundreds of fragments made into pillows. That's decorative. Doesn't belong in the rug/kilim section.
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#3 Posted : Monday, January 26, 2009 6:21:56 PM(UTC)
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Be careful on that one. Not only is it plastic, but it's one he has a hundred of, literally. I have seen that exact same carpet in a dozen sizes from him over the last few years. It's Target.

One of my objections to ebay is that they allow cheap fake stuff in with the real deal. They should separate out and put the machine made plastics in the housewares area with the tea towels and leave the better merchandise where it can be culled out without going through thousands of entries. I have bought a lot of kilims too and despise their adding in hundreds of fragments made into pillows. That's decorative. Doesn't belong in the rug/kilim section.


10-4, I got it right off, I truly did. But Krow, could you honor me by weighing in on the Mashad herein, thread titled "Not Disgusting"?? I kidded around re what yr response would be.....but truly, even though no way is this a Sarouk...probably half the KPSI....it isn't as unremarkable as that Lilihan you werr right about, I feel, And it ight be worth the not huge money. What do you think?????

Today I went to see this once fabulous rug which turned out to be practically in the grave.. I still feel bad for the poor guy. I am not that good at this.
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#4 Posted : Monday, January 26, 2009 7:57:39 PM(UTC)
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KrowGyrl wrote:
That's decorative. Doesn't belong in the rug/kilim section.


AMEN... You said it. Some nice stuff there, but it's a real annoyance to filter through.


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I still feel bad for the poor guy. I am not that good at this.


Unique, caring & thoughtful... unfortunately most others are not. I am virgo, sympathy is part of that. Fact is that fair is fair, and while some understand, others take advantage. Nothing worse than someone laughing on their way to the bank with your money on false pretense or inflated perceived value.
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Pro, this will interest you! there are up to 1,500 interpretable aspects in a natal chart run with an accurate time. The Sun means almost nothing, believeit or not! Plus, I can take a 3 second look at a cilent's chart in the ephemeris, literally that for phone clients.....not use my expensive software to run all the math.....and pick up most of the accurate details.....but I never even look at the Sun placement.

Having said that......I have Virgo rising. It is one reason we connect. We are as you said, and also about service and also detail oriented! Also, with a dearth of arrogance.

Boy, was I lucky to have found this place.

But I still feel bad for Mitch. Great sadness about him anyhow Tho some of it, at least today, and I know is today... owed to his illusions about that poor rug. I must remember that. Cept that is part of why I feel bad for him!!!!!

As for the target store rug....common, guys I SAID ALL OF IT!!! What I liked so much and still like....is, someone with a MAC and good software....rendered what I stand by feeling... is a VERY attractive design. I admire that. I said it was plastic, I said it was machined.....cut me slack, guys.....maybe I have a point! I think someone with "an eye" rendered this. Now ponder: Krow said it was out there in the gazillions!!! It SUCCEEDED. Cause he or she WHO RENDERED it on the MAC.....had an EYE. I am applauding that human.....who will never see a loom and remain BER - WEFT as a result. lol

And nobody call goal tending re my little defense above.....cause the ball was not in the downward trajectory to THE BASKET, OK? LOL
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Nothing worse than someone laughing on their way to the bank with your money on false pretense or inflated perceived value. >>>>

This is why I coined the "Stradivaius carpet" thing. Having trundled around the antique and flea market scene for decades in NY and always making a beeline for anything that looked like a carpet, I have been shocked at the almost universal asking price of anything even remotely resembling a Persian carpet. It's like people don't know there are classes of value in rugs just like anything else. Like if it's hard and clear and faceted and in a piece of jewelry it must be a diamond. And even though it's REALLY Persian, really wool, really beautiful, doesn't mean it really needs to cost $50K. But every single threadbare, dusty, chewed up thing is always $1,000 or more. Unreal. And everybody who finds a carpet in their grandmother's basement when she passes on and they have to dig everything out, thinks they have just hit the big lottery. But it's the scheisters in the business who are feeding this. I believe in a good story, but it should be true. And seeing carpets on ebay that are advertised (I am serious) as having come out of the Shah's palace, I mean, ninja pleez.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:45:12 PM(UTC)
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Wow. I never heard anyone say or write the world"trundled"!!! High marks. I envy that your trundling over time with keen eye has not eroded yr soul. It has already eroded mine and I am a beginer. Tho mine was eroded retroactively re my rug sale debacle.

And yes, you are right: I know from yesterday......anything once magnificent, however long ago and however distance from any semlance of that magnificence.....people think is priceless.

Nobody believes me today, but I would not have that clinically depressed and terminal rug on my floor if someone gave it to me. I am not kidding.

Bring to mind how popular Karl Lagerfeld is. My feeling from jump was, each new collection of his....makes Chanel turn over in her grave. Very scary what can be achieved with advertising, hype....the manufacturing of elan. I see it in everything.

Now I get same phenomenon exists in the rug business. I mean Right in this room.....this thing I found, Pro says is hand knotted.....it is unimaginable that anyone could have made this, and far more, anyone would have paid money for it.

I also see remnants sold online......as if this profession were like archeology digs wherein devoted professionasl spend forever to sift thu miles of sand to find tiny fragments of what might have been ancient artifacts every tiny part of which is precious. That is get.

I should have paid more attention when I was growing up to what was in our house as a carefully evolving work progress. But I didn't. I had no clue how special the rugs were. I assumed all old rugs were like those rugs. Better late than never.




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The thing with magnificence is, if it was magnificent a long time ago, it still is today, no matter how old and trashed it is. What I am talking about is ordinary and commonplace that is posited as magnificent just because it if of a type. There are fabulous old carpets that are trashed that can still command a hefty price. But ordinary more commonly produced carpets from 100 years ago are not magnificent. There were classes of carpets and classes of workshops and craftsmen. Karl Lagerfeld is a good example in clothes. In 50 years if you see a table that is selling vintage Karl Lagerfeld clothes and also clothes that are just generic French clothes, I guarantee you the Lagerfelds are better made with superior materials. It's not just a name and will be worth more than some plain old thing that just happens to have been manufactured in France. The same with carpets.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:23:26 PM(UTC)
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KrowGyrl wrote:
The thing with magnificence is, if it was magnificent a long time ago, it still is today, no matter how old and trashed it is. What I am talking about is ordinary and commonplace that is posited as magnificent just because it if of a type. There are fabulous old carpets that are trashed that can still command a hefty price. But ordinary more commonly produced carpets from 100 years ago are not magnificent. There were classes of carpets and classes of workshops and craftsmen. Karl Lagerfeld is a good example in clothes. In 50 years if you see a table that is selling vintage Karl Lagerfeld clothes and also clothes that are just generic French clothes, I guarantee you the Lagerfelds are better made with superior materials. It's not just a name and will be worth more than some plain old thing that just happens to have been manufactured in France. The same with carpets.


O Lord, save our Krow: Humans with the souls of poets of your distillation are IN HARMS WAY, ok?

Compelling. tangential subject: magnificence in perpetuity, does that exist? Maybe yes, with, say excpetoinal Wooten desk, fine American Windsor chairs, Quezal or Tiffany items with little damage.....but Krow, rugs are at their heart, meant to be walked on. I mean these rugs... these are not prayer rugs with huge spiirtual provenance.

I refuse to apologize for my pragmatic, bourgeois center, and I was raised with almost NOTHING NEW. Not once did I ever worry about walking on my Sarouk---or over drop cloth I put down while building all I did on it....huge stress, tons of sawdust.....nor did anyone one else worry!!!

Only once, when I was growing up, and my livingroom community fish tank started to leak--I had those all over the house....that was during my fish phase which was before my horse phase which was before my guy phase.....did my mother go nuclear. But THAT huge, vivid, full pile (I only now realize, too late) Sarouk.....entire battalions could have marched over and it would not have blinked.

I assumed all semi antique rugs were lke that.

But you raise a very dense issue to be sure, and I hope others weigh in on it.
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Jilly ... we're talking about different things. When I said magnificence, I mean the truly important pieces like the one that went at the Christies auction, the Doris Duke carpet. Of course carpets are meant to be walked on. What I was meaning was that all these old carpets we see in most of the antique shops, all the flea markets and certainly on ebay were NEVER magnificent. Great, sure, beautiful, wonderful, sure. Magnificent, not 99% of them no. Not by what I mean as magnificent. And what I know for sure is that there is a whole lot of poetic fantasy floating around about carpets which is why I have seen carpets of the type I used to buy from import stores back in the '60s going for thousands of dollars. But I use the word magnificent as it's found in the dictionary. Something trully extraordinary and of extreme craftsmanship and superior quality and design and materials. Not just ... I really really love it a lot.
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KrowGyrl wrote:
Jilly ... we're talking about different things. When I said magnificence, I mean the truly important pieces like the one that went at the Christies auction, the Doris Duke carpet. Of course carpets are meant to be walked on. What I was meaning was that all these old carpets we see in most of the antique shops, all the flea markets and certainly on ebay were NEVER magnificent. Great, sure, beautiful, wonderful, sure. Magnificent, not 99% of them no. Not by what I mean as magnificent. And what I know for sure is that there is a whole lot of poetic fantasy floating around about carpets which is why I have seen carpets of the type I used to buy from import stores back in the '60s going for thousands of dollars. But I use the word magnificent as it's found in the dictionary. Something trully extraordinary and of extreme craftsmanship and superior quality and design and materials. Not just ... I really really love it a lot.


Mea culpa. Now I get it. You are right. also....deep. Also nuanced.
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