Hey Jilly. I would say 1940s could even be early 1960's+. All the yellowing may be dry rot. I would see the rug in person and see examples of his work in person if possible. Not that it's not trustworthy, it's just a good idea.

As for the value if it were in good condition, I would have to see the size of the knots. there's a big difference in prices for the qualities. but then again, the original or repaired price is somewhat irrelevant if we don't know the quality of work.

Hi again

I am working but have another question......tho we must factor in this item has a long way to go in the auction, over a day. but factoring that in. there haven't been any bids so far.......why wouldn't someone out there with the esoteric skills to make a repair of this size, not bid on this thing? I mean, just to resell it?

I was interested in knowing what repairs cost......since just washing is, I learned here, apparently now so much, I had no clue......but why wouldn't someone do this? Get this thing for little money, do the repair if they are gifted enough to do that, and then sell the thing.

If I knew how to reweft and repile rugs....I WOULD DO IT, ok? Then.....I would sell it!

I also note, like so many of this genre, it has blue wefts.
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Edit; In response to an email I just received from someone here, it should be clear to all that the above post addressed the same carpet which generated this thread: the ebay Sarouk in need of serious repair I was curious about and discussed with the vendor for the reasons I shared.
Moreover, the above could only have come to the fore later in the auction when there are astill no bids on this carpet, it could not have been included in my initial post.

I hope all this is now clear.

Hi,

Again, I am agian referring to the rug which generated this thread:
Sarouk on eBay

(I only pasted a link to the other one to illustrate what this vendor offers given i feel it adds info.)

As we see and as I wrote, this rug, even assuming it is not form the 20s or 30s, is a good rug. It has almost full pile, good design for the genre, and, from the blue wefts, I think it is Persian. It also qneeds what I think is a major repair. i am clueless about these things, and that is what interested me. On the phone, givne he sAID IN THE POST, he does exdpert repairs, he said, for a proper repair---not just removeing the junk on the duct tape attempt and seucring the bad part, but a proper repair involving rebuilding the rug in that place.....would be $1,500.

Next, as if 5 mins ago, there are still no bids on the rug.....tho even now, there is a day to go.

Given all of the above, I am wondering why someone skilled in repairing hand knotted rugs.....I mean I know it is esoteric but also not rocket science.....why wouldn't someone with that skill not try to get this rug at very low price, do the repair and resell it? Like for 3K?

To me, this is a no brainer. Again, if I knew how, I, JILL WOULD SO DO THAT!!!!

I am sure a real rug repair person would know what is involved and why nobody is bidding on this rug WITH THAT IN MIND.....and I am missing information. That is why I posted that last post. I am intensely, LOGICALLY curious about what I am missing.....and I wanna learn, it is FASCINATING.

What would be involved in such a repair? How many hours would be involved? How hard could it be? Surely there are rug repair people out there who immediately thought of this, right? If not, WHY NOT? Given the reality of the piece....I have learned about these as we know, ISN'T IT A NO BRAINER? I mean just from a business point of view?

Not sure if Joe Nevo makes repairs, but it even struck me why wouldn't HE try to get this rug for very little and do that?
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Edit: by the way, should it help, I asked Wally what he thought caused that area of damage in need of repairing, he said he was sure it was water damage.
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another edit: I see what I am looking for is something ro read, maybe with images, even videos......to teach me about these repairs. What are the basics, if a loom is necessary or some device to stabilize......how long things take, tho they are no doubt entirely individual......this is how my brian works. I am rabidly, seriously interested and many, many things are involved.

All I could find was this:
http://www.oldcarpet.com/how_to_repair.htm

I also wanna know, of course, just to KNOW.....how did Wally come up with this number, $1,500??? That involves the specifics, another integrity issue about the industry.....academic data, historical and all things related. All learning has ripple effects infinitely.

Then, there was that famous, giant ancient rug in the V & A in the UK......whose twin was sacrificed to augment its repair. This is how my brain works. Also why I am a researcher & writer. For me.....it's normal.

OMG....it Now appears, I missed important stuff!!!! Now I understand why nobody thought of buying it for little, repairing it themselves and selling it.

But on the phone, Wally said, while there is dog urine he said he could easily clean.....the area in question in the image is the only problematic area in need of repair. So this may be yet another case of misrepresentation.

But Pro.....seeing all you did, I guess my intense curiosity re why wouldn't someone who can do repairs buy this, do that... and sell i for 3Kt---I even thought perhaps someone a member HERE......has been answered. It did also strikes me,but only NOW.... given this Wally does repairs.....how come HE did not do all that himself?

Thanks, Pro. As usual....you gotta get ALL the info to understand things.
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Addendum: agian----and who ought know this better than you? I am not interested in BUYING A RUG......I have my DREAM rug. But now......along with all the other, almost infinite things I am rabidly interested in......rugs have taken their place. I go places and now.....I NOTICE THEM..when possible pick up a corner and look at their undersides! I do not care people find it a little strange, lol
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Just must add this: I learn to do things nobody can understand.....even I can't sometimes. But it's all an adventure. When I had time, I used to knit, sew, I am very handy. It even struck me for 7 seconds of excitement maybe I, Jill cold actually learn and do this!!!!1 I can knit, sew, fix and make almost anything and I luv doing those things...I make the time4....put it right and then sell it! I asked the price of the repair to try to get some sense of how hard it might be. But that din work. lol Also, i have no proper room to do Something like this......and I would never let that thing as it is now near MY RUG.

I also found this:
http://www.balds.com/Rug_School.htm

It was a total fantasy......but it was also fun.

Hi, Nathan,

I did, in fact, as per my last post above, FINALLY get to the RHETORICAL YOU got to IMMEDIATELY. Just took me several months longer, is all. lol. All I saw was what it was, at least I got that right, thought, how hard could it be to fix this for a handy person who learns fast, it would be FUN....who needs sleep? And then, sell it for decent money!

I am embarrassed. Clearly, since not one person wanted it, even for ten dollars plus shipping.....my smarts, hardly for the first time, got trumped by my O Boy, O Wow, wut fun..... imagination.

Being a novice, and having been bitten by the rug bug, and now having my DREAM rug....made me see what the rug is but also think, with re-wefting and repiling what I thought was and he said was one area, it could be restored to its former splendor and re sold. I also thought the oranges & salmons in the border were really nice, even stypical within the genre, and would make it more salable. Thank God I am not in the rug business, right? lol

See this? It IS all about LEARNING.
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I appreciate yr detailed embellishment. When I was on the phone with him and asked what he would charge for a proper repair since he made that offer in his listing, and he said $1,500, I yelped. I had no clue, no reference and that was the first thing I was itnerested in....only repair I ever had done was new fringes on my inherited Sarouk.....which, I learned here, I should not have done anyhow; I din know little ratty but original is preferable; I adored the new and perfectly done little fringes. Ignorance is bliss but only for so long, right?

I feel so happy I was moved to get a rug in essentially perfect condition!

Thanks also for the data on urine damage! I had NO CLUE. But just intuitively, along with asking everyone to take their shoes off now---everyone hates this---I also tell everyone please, do NOT PEE on my new dream RUG. lol We can see just from this, I am learning and have potential, right?

But then it would have been another amputation rug!!!!! I had an insane fun fantasy for coupla days....I have romantic attachments to these rugs and want to fix them. Goes back to my early childhood. I even wanted to fix the necrotic Mitchell one. I see what they were originally.

Poor thing. Might make a nice purse. lol OK wait......if someone could get around the dog urine part.....would also make a nicer carrier for one of those status-generated mini canines!!!