Cool rug! Reminds me of some of those saph rugs

I don't think this signature was added, the colors between the signature and regular pile are pretty close. For something like this I don't think the signature is as big of a concern as China being a possible origin, but there are characteristics that point more to Turkey.

What kind of concerns did you have about the credibility?

Hi,

Was just showing friend some previous threads and came upon this.

Around 8 hours to go on this auction: http://rover.ebay.com/ro...9&mtid=824&kw=lg

Have no clue about this vendor, but they sell diverse items & not a lot if you check their history and feedback. Also means, while their percentage is not fabulous....given the above, it is also not what it might be were they power sellers.

Next, let us remember the diameter of a nickel is 7/8"...and that of a quarter is slightly under an inch. Given this, I count 16 knots along the selvedge edge,we might add one or two more to get to the inch, totaling maybe 18. But since it appears the yarn may be multiple plys, I can not count in the perpendicular direction reliably. Or, OK.....at all. lol

Now, pls see this: http://www.oriental-rugs.com/hereke2.html

You will notice the almost identical appearance of the undersides. The underside of the one you are drawn to looks like silk to my untrained but not unkeen eye......but the KPSI of the Turkish rug I linked you to are stated at 700.....a lot higher than that of the one you like even tho I can't count reliably along the wefts.

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Correction: I could count along the wefts, it is the other direction count which eludes me.

Use yr judgment and be careful! It is very charming rug.....wish someone would do the perpendicular counting. Good luck with this!!!!!!

PS....Just noticed this is their only active item right now.

This is Persian, made in Iran, and, they say, from the 60s, also a bit bigger & a Qum....not sayin same quality, I do not know, but visually, echoes the one you like a bit, no? Bet the one U like is at least these kpsi, 400.

http://www.cyberrug.com/silk_qum_rug_10-ROC2.htm

Wouldn't it be delightful, forget life-affirming.... if everyone Kept it Real both professionally and personally? Including what someone originally paid for a rug?

Tapdancing OK for the late Fred Astaire; patination OK for, say a good bronze.....but that's about IT.

Way????? It appears congrats are in order, is this right????

I did buy the rug, it's going to be sent out on Wednesday, so I will give a full report by Monday of nextt week. I have to admit it crazy to worry about bidding $600 on a rug. Worst thiing that could happen is it is a very pretty, fine Chinese or a lesser Turkish rug that still would probably be worth $400, and if it is a Hereke for $600,, wow.
But once again I say, I like the look of the rug, every indiciation it will make a great hanging piece so the price is secondary. If It's not a rug for resale, it's a rug to enjoy. My whole intent to have a couple of rug that when I walk in the room for the 500th time I still think, wow that's a work of art.

I will report

Yeah, I see the signature. I can make out a couple of letters, but that looks like a kid's chicken scratch. Pretty bad. Also, and this is just speculation, that signature is SO badly executed that it makes me wonder if it wasn't, just a fake added touch. I have seen a lot of Orientalist paintings that have Arabic script on buildings, as is very common in Islamic architecture. The paintings look great but when you look closely at the Islamic calligraphy, you can tell it's just "meant to look like" Islamic calligraphy, but is just jibberish. And I have seen others where it's the real deal and completely as readable as calligraphic script sometimes is or is not depending on style. I have no idea ... but I could see the Chinese manufacturer putting some fak-o Arabic script that sort of looks like it for effect. Or it could have been produced by a bad rug maker, but the rest of the rug is better than the execution of that script. It's a mystery to say the least. It's odd. And again, if anyone knows this for sure, speak up. But as I say, the calligraphic script has not been used in Turkey for a good while. Maybe it's coming back in some arty circles or artisan circles, who knows. Turkish and Farsi script have a tendency to be much more sweeping. I don't know. Just thinking out loud.

I am very anxious to get my hands on this rug to see exactly what I have>>>

Yeah, I'd have to say I know that feeling. Enjoy!

I don't know about "always" positioning. I'm not aware of any philosophy or tradition that dictates position of signature. I would suspect though, that it's a matter of where the best balance would be. Also, it would depend on the intended function of the rug. A rug such as that one might be intended to hang on a wall and it might be thought it would have more of a balanced feel. Who knows. Again, if anyone one the list has definitive knowledge and experience about this specific issue, please speal up.

I've received the rug and am very pleased. I took it to Atiyeh Bros to be cleaned at they confirmed RugPro's comment that it is a hereke saph prayer rug, and very beautiful.

The pictured signature looked liked childrens scribbling because it was taken form the back. The picture below is a poor picture form the front. I only realized this when I got the rug and saw the front. I feel very fortuneate.
I had mentioned earlier that I was flipping several rugs to work my self up to the four digit rugs. Turns out I took a short cut. The earlier rug I posted turned out to be a 700kpsi tabriz pure silk prayer rug, this hereke prayer. and I have coming a very beautiful brand new all silk nian 4X6 with animal rug (I'll ask about value when it arrives)
I got all three of these rugs for $1,600, that is total $1,600 not $1,600 per rug. I would think that any one of the rugs is worth $1,600 individually. Getting a bargain is nice, but being able to rugs on the wall of this qualtiy at an affordable price is the true reward. I get to look at beauty much earlier than I had thought,