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Hamadan? Can it be pinpointed further
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#1 Posted : Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:15:37 AM(UTC)
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I bought two rugs at an auction a couple years ago. The only information anybody had was that they were Hamadan. The attached pictures are of one of them. The rug is roughly 4' by 7'. The rug appears to me as kind of crude, but the wool seems nice, the pile thick and I like the colors. From what little I can tell, Hamadan covers a wide area. Can you pinpoint the likely origin of this more precisely? It would also be nice to have some idea of the various symbols in the design. It looks to me that there is a pretty heavy weft between each row of knots. The color of the weft seems to range from almost white in the center section of the rug to gray and sometimes almost black toward the ends of the rug.
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#2 Posted : Saturday, February 28, 2009 1:37:17 PM(UTC)
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Hey Injun,

re wefting, saw a few of what appeared to be grey wefts. as for the variation, there are several things that could account for this. The rug does not appear to have color run, but it is possible the black color dye could have been absorbed into the cotton during final washing.

If I'm not mistaken, the image of the whole carpet seems to have had contrast adjusted. If so, I don't know if this is to portray more accurate representation, but the colors do seem to be nice.

To answer the exact origin, again, Hamedan is about as far as I would go to attribute. There is a great book out there as netjim pointed out called Oriental Carpet Design you may be able to ID with.

If you are interested in the use of Symbolism in carpet design (more for older tribal in particular) I can't recall the exact name, I think it's Stone's writing about Tribal Rug Design but I could be mistaken.


Seems like the design of your rug is pretty eclectic. I cannot necessarily point out all the designs and the symbolisms, I can tell you where I have seen some. The star with overlapping geometric figures I have seen in Caucasian rugs. The border reminds me of an old Karabagh design rug I have, although it does seem to have some resemblance to even war rug vehicles. The arrows in the border I have seen in Kourdish Rugs.

What I can tell you is there is a clear Herati design and mahi too. The Herati is the diamond like squares, the mahi refers to the sickle shaped like things diagonal. Mahi means fish - the older Persian rugs from the Safavid Period show this Fish shape much more clear.

I will continue on this if time permits, perhaps post an image to augment description.

Fun piece with very interesting border,

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#3 Posted : Monday, March 2, 2009 7:46:55 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the help. I actually like the colors in the other rug better than this one, but this has the most going on as far as the design. I will probably order the book from Amazon. My local library doesn't seem to have it. I used a Fuji Finepix 8000 to take the pictures. I have not been very happy with this camera. I think it has a lot of noise for one thing. The camera was set to "chrome mode" which does set the color contrast and saturation to high. I took another picture in standard mode which may be better. I tried to get a better angle for the picture as well. I also took one of the entire back of the rug.
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#4 Posted : Monday, March 2, 2009 8:26:28 AM(UTC)
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it's a fun piece. A brief look at the Ford book, i think this would be referred to as a Kolyai.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:57:05 AM(UTC)
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There is a FANTASTIC book on Hamadan rugs called ONE WOMAN, ONE WEFT, written by Hamadan collector/expert Tad Runge in Maine. It is not only a great resource, but actually a great read as well (rare for a rug book). I'm sure you can get it from Amazon or Powell's.
The medallion w/it's long pendants makes me think this weaver was shooting for the Bijar look. The primary border reminds me of the Shekeri(sp?) border on Serabend rugs - sort of a geometrized meandering vine/leaf design that on your rug, almost resembles a lizard. Cool rug!

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#6 Posted : Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:39:53 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the tip on the book. I will see if I can find it. I just got my copy of Ford's "Oriental Carpet Design" yesterday. Based on a quick perusal, this is a well-done and very useful book. I can see how people can spend a lifetime on this stuff.
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