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Haji Jalili?
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#1 Posted : Friday, February 20, 2009 10:34:50 PM(UTC)
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Hi,
My first post to your forum since finding it about a week ago. Your site and forum are excellent.

I have been following three Ebay rugs that are being sold as Haji Jalili. These are #s 7385558306, 270347130855, and 280265442314. You discussed #270347130855 in this forum last summer and were of the opinion that it was not a Haji Jalili.

What do you think now about these rugs? Are there any key indicators for Haji Jalili? If they are Haji Jalilis, what would you think is a fair price for them?

Thanks
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#2 Posted : Saturday, February 21, 2009 6:36:10 AM(UTC)
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Welcome,

They're really cool and interesting rugs, I don't think they are Jalili or even rugs of the ilk that would be called Jalili. I think Tabriz is a likely attribution for all but this one. On eBay right now, I think one of the rugs which May be of the type to be perhaps accurately be called a jalili is this one here. The design, quality and structure seems to mimic some pieces I've seen attributed as Jalili by Sotheby's, although it's not 100 percent similar.

As for value, I don't like the Best offers that are on the rugs. Of the ones you presented, the most technically sophisticated in my opinion is this one The shading is very difficult. Still not a "Jalili" in my book, but it's the most likely from the bunch to possibly be.

This Rug from Faresalesman is by no means close. the colors the design, all wrong for jalili. It's just a name these less than familiar/deceptive sellers use to market their rugs.

Not saying these rugs are not worth it. If you want to value, if you post individual auctions in "what is it what is it worth" I will try and respond.

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#3 Posted : Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:50:58 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for response Rugpro.

The rug you selected as being most Sophisticated is quite mysterious to me. I have had three native Arabic speakers attempt to decipher the Arabic writing on this rug and they have only been able to partially do so with the following so far - This was made in DIWAN of state of First SULTAN ….. ALMUJAHID ALKABEER (NAME OF GOD).

Could this rug be a Kirman? I am looking at two Kirmans (in a book) from the 1940s that have a lot in common with this rug.

I will post over in "what it is worth" for the one.

Thanks,
Gerrha

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#4 Posted : Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:14:46 AM(UTC)
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This rug you mentioned is very interesting. I would have to see the construction of the rug and maybe a detail corner shot of the back to make an educated assessment. It certainly has the look of a tabriz weave from a distance. there are elements which don't seem too common for a Tabriz weaving : even an unusual one.

Kerman is an interesting thought going by design, but even from a distance, the weave does not look like Kerman and the Orange was not used in Kermans. But the design elements as you mention like the boteh paisley looking designs and the cypress tree can sometimes be seen in Kerman weavings. The best thing with older rugs like these is to go by the construction.

It may not be a Jalili, but it's one interesting rug
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