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#1 Posted : Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:27:18 PM(UTC)
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Hello, can any body help me put a value on this rug, two different people have valued it, one at a Kashan silk rug, circa 1890 £3000 to £5000 and one put it at a late 19th century silk Fereghan rug £6000 £8000

Also how do i upload pictures to this site??
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:37:00 PM(UTC)
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[quote=Damo666]Hello, can any body help me put a value on this rug, two different people have valued it, one at a Kashan silk rug, circa 1890 £3000 to £5000 and one put it at a late 19th century silk Fereghan rug £6000 £8000


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#3 Posted : Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:12:42 PM(UTC)
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Condition is going to be very important in valuing this piece and you have not said anything about that and it is not clear from your photos what the condition is like. Also there are no photos of the back to see the weave. It is a very nice piece and looks around the 1900 mark.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:14:05 PM(UTC)
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just to clarify by 1900 I meant circa 1900 not value.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:55:12 PM(UTC)
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Thank you, it appears to be in great condition! i have included some more pictures and a close up of the back. I was given this rug, by my Grandmother 15 years ago. she had an extensive rug collection, When she passed on my father sold most of them and including the large one's, they were all sold at Christies auction's roughly 10 years ago. I have had Bonhams value it between £3000 to £5000 and Christies have valued it at £5000 to £8000. but the next auctions are December and april next year, I would like to sell the rug for funds towards my 1st house purchase.
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sorry, the size is 6'9 x 4'3 many thanks.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, August 20, 2013 5:19:03 PM(UTC)
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the place to sell this is definitely Christies and if you have had William Robinson value it then he is the foremost expert in this field. It is very unlikely that you would get a higher price at Bonhams for this piece. I think it is a Farahan. It wouldnt surprise me if you got the £8000 in an auction for it but that you have to be lucky with and have the two people that want it. It is likely as it appears to be in very good condition and for a piece of this age that is very important. I doubt that a dealer will pay you that price. However, if you know anybody privately that would be interested in a piece like this then they would be getting an absolute bargain at £8000.

I hope this has helped not confused you
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:49:15 AM(UTC)
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Hello, yes im a little confused lol it was a lady called lucinda willan?? i may prefer to sell it quickly?? is there anyone or anywhere in the uk i could do this?
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:14:05 AM(UTC)
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Well apart from dealers that you can find online and approach by sending the images then there is the auctions, which you dont want to go through. The next best thing is to take clear photos and post them on rugrabbit.com and may have some luck there. But it is mainly dealers there and I don't know how much luck you will have there.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:35:11 AM(UTC)
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Really doubt that you'll be able to sell it for $8000 or around this privately although it's worth trying (and trying on rug rabbit as suggested) you may get lucky and a collector will stump up for it.

Keep in mind that Christies and Bonhams both have high auction fees both for the vendor and the buyer so whatever the hammer price is you'll get around 20% less and the buyer will have to pay 20% more. So $8000 at auction is more like $6500.

If Christies is willing to take it on then it's a sign of a good, old carpet and you should see good money for it.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:59:50 AM(UTC)
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To be honest, I don't expect to get that, I would just like someone to get proper use of it! lol And like i say, i want to buy my 1st house :-) so what ever i can get for it really??
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You don't come across many Faraghan's and they seem to hold great value to collectors so you should hold out for good money. I just don't know how likely it is a collector will approach you as an individual, they'd really need to be seeking you out. Obviously you want the money fast but Christies is a good option.
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Could any body explain a new bee like me what makes one think this rug was made in Farahan? I looked at the pictures and the only thing that seems to be logic is Kashan (design, Shirazi, Kilim border, Colors, except knot structure that dosn´t look like Kashan or Farahan to me).
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#14 Posted : Saturday, August 24, 2013 5:12:56 AM(UTC)
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KAD wrote:
Could any body explain a new bee like me what makes one think this rug was made in Farahan? I looked at the pictures and the only thing that seems to be logic is Kashan (design, Shirazi, Kilim border, Colors, except knot structure that dosn´t look like Kashan or Farahan to me).


I don't know what it is, our repair guy who wove in Iran when seeing the knotting said Turkish, changed his mind to Russian then after looking at the rug thought Kashmir. Just presumed if Bonhams/Christies had looked at it they'd have a good idea.
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Well KAD you obviously are not a new bee in fact quite to the contrary. You are right looking at it you first think it is a Kashan but the weave is not a city weave. Then you have to see what pure silk pieces were around at that time which is probably about 1880. As Little Persian says we have not seen or touched the piece. I dont think it is Turkish because I dont think they did medallion pieces of this kind in that era. I am almost sure it is not Kashmir nor Russian but Farahan did do silk that were not extremely fine and the knot had a villagey look about it. The other rug of that era is Heriz area and I dont think it is Heriz either.
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Well, I usually don't give too much about the design since there have always been copies and reproductions throughout the rug making areas. Knot sructure made me think Heris or old Kayseri, but defenetly north western Iran, Azerbeijan or east Turkey. The silk Farahans of that time that went through my hands looked different in knot structure.

Giving the kid the name was probably a good idea, and yes - since we didn't have the rug in our hands it is much like wandering through fog.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:36:51 PM(UTC)
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Hi, Thanks for the input, I am only passing on what i have been told?? I am just trying to find out what and where it came from?? I have been told its Kashan aswell?? can anybody suggest a place to take it too?? iv been trying to join rugrabbit.com
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, August 27, 2013 3:36:39 PM(UTC)
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Damo666 wrote:
Hi, Thanks for the input, I am only passing on what i have been told?? I am just trying to find out what and where it came from?? I have been told its Kashan aswell?? can anybody suggest a place to take it too?? iv been trying to join rugrabbit.com


I have attached a picture of the back of the rug, if anyone can identify it?? Many thanks.
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