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Odd pictoral. What is it?
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#1 Posted : Sunday, December 12, 2010 11:07:47 PM(UTC)
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This rug has cycled through several times of the past months and nobody buys it. It's one of the oddest designs I have ever seen. For lack of another word, it almost brings to mind what could only be described as a "war rug" if I am reading those suggestive shapes at the top. Anybody have any clues or seen anything like this before?
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#2 Posted : Monday, December 13, 2010 12:09:52 AM(UTC)
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This does look very interesting. I'm not sure I see any war imagery though. Could you tell which parts look like war imagery to you? Also, what war would this be about? (It does look Iranian to me, and I don't think there has been a war in the time period where one might guess this rug was woven?)
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#3 Posted : Monday, December 13, 2010 2:09:59 AM(UTC)
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really have not seen anything quite like this. it does tell a story of some sort. design than is very unique looking. must be some explanation behind that similarity. interesting they call it a hamadan, does not have that type of weave, plus the barber pole selvage wrap would hint other too (they look as old as the rug but the red is different than the wool in the pile). Not a bad price at all, especially with a best offer
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#4 Posted : Monday, December 13, 2010 2:49:39 AM(UTC)
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Hamadan area is quite correct. From north western Hamadan area. Interesting desing, but low quality. It is a typical village rug, probably Saweh. I would divide the design in two parts: the almost symmetric 80% and the rest with the "collums". The remind me pictures of Persepolis with the builing in the middle (might be a tomb).
Colors are a little like some rugs from Koliay / Songhor area. Also the Birds look like in rugs fro there.

The tag tells it came to US from Germany. It was probably sold in Hamburg, the tag tells it went thru customs.
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#5 Posted : Monday, December 13, 2010 9:11:32 AM(UTC)
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KAD, excellent point about Persepolis. And you are right, the top 20% is what's weird. As far as war, well,I spend a lot of my time reading the various political ideologues of Iran so maybe I am conditioned to look for something that's not there. I feel like an idiot now that you mention Persepolis. But I was not thinking of any past war, but one someone might fear is coming. I thought those columns were a bit illustrative of, well, silos or reactors. But would I be wrong to say this was someone's personal "sampler" or experiment?
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, December 14, 2010 2:20:22 AM(UTC)
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KrowGyrl,
your interpretation of the picture is very ok, and it took me a while also to get the point of the design. Your are absolutely right about the idea of personal experiment. This rug is why I love persien village and nomadic rugs. They are always good for a surprise. The 80% symmetric are where the weaver started, you can tell from the pile direction. Then he or she had the rug almost finished, and for some reason we will never know the second part was added. As rugpro mentioned, for this money it is a great rug for a collection. It is no great quality, but a nice and funny sample of village rugs. And every rug that makes you think or talk about it is worth buying.
I have a Loribaft that has a similar idea, that is why I bought it:

Funny Loribaft rug

Look at the beginning / lower part. The weaver was using a square design, and for ome reason, she decided to do the rest of the rug with circles.

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#7 Posted : Tuesday, December 14, 2010 7:37:38 AM(UTC)
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KAD... that's GORGEOUS! Very modern art school early 20th century. For some reason it instantly made me think of solids giving way to bubbles and the palate and mood of Gustav Klimt. That's really cool. What else ya got? ;) I don't have anything so grand. But I do have a very cool war rug (I am not really INTO war rugs but I notice them as an interesting trope) Mine is using a very subtle design with the technology worked so seamlessly into the design that you'd really have to know how the weapons worked to understand the design at all. Not like the cliche new designs with Tank? Check. Kalashnikov? Check. Helicopter? Check. Done. And I too prefer by far the tribals and village rugs.
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Here's my absolute favourite of this kind: It's a Yahyali and must have been made around the 1920s by someone who was in awe of the Russian propeller planes that could be seen in the sky. This must be a one of a kind rug, and I somewhat regret I didn't buy it when it was for sale. See how the plane and the waving pilot are "floating" in the field, as if really flying in the sky, but similar to the way guls float in 19th century turkmen rugs.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, December 14, 2010 12:14:25 PM(UTC)
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Now that's really wild Shereen. 1920s! And yeah, I bet that is definitely one of a kind. And the plane floating towards the mihrab of a prayer rug. Interesting. It's cute and charming with, may I say, almost a childlike "yellow submarine" playfulness. Thanks for sharing.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:41:10 AM(UTC)
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KrowGyrl,
i came from a traditional persian rug family, so my focus was on fine old rugs (Isfahan, Kashan, Qum and so on) at the beginning. In the last years it spread to everything and from everywhere. I buy every good old moroccon berber I can find, every unusual turkish rug and I love persian tribal rugs.
War rugs are also very amazing, and I agree about the difference between the early rugs from the time of the soviet invasion and the commercial rugs made due to the growing collector scene in the west fot this type of rug.
Shereen,
really nice rug, I would have bought it right away! This is what makes rug collecting so great - you always find a rug you have never seen before.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:42:51 AM(UTC)
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KAD ...

I have the greatest admiration and fascination for "the traditonal Persian rug family," not least of which is because its truly just about the last of the family guild models that still exists in the modern world. There are a few still active in places like Italy but even they are less family-hands-on in new generations. Kudos.
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