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#1 Posted : Thursday, May 20, 2010 6:50:42 PM(UTC)
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In a yard sale - I found a huge rug that I'm almost certain is an old Kerman.

Size is at least about 3 x 5 (meters) . KPSI would be 200-250 range. It's really thin - although the designs aren't super ornate.

Major colors are red and blue. There's no "pure white" - and the blue a dark blue with abrash. Lots of vases with medium clarity.

This rug has two issues:

a) Pile with red dye is consistently worn ---- the color is still there - but most of the pile is gone. There's no holes or tears - but pile is very depressed in spots. (cochineal?)

b) The rug has about a quart of white-wash paint spilled on a corner --- covering approx 3 square feet of the rug. The paint seems to be water-based --- scrapes off with some work - seems to be sitting on the surface of the rug - and hasn't really sunk into the pile. I'm almost certain that it's water-based white-wash.

I picked the carpet up for $75. Trying to figure out what to do with it, next.

Any thoughts?

(as I said - photos over the weekend).

What years were cochineal dyes common? Any other reason why the red (and only the red) would be depressed?
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#2 Posted : Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:14:44 PM(UTC)
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Yes. Once there was a discussion about Cochineal on Turkotek. I remember anybody told me about alumn stain or other metal stain to dye the wool with cochineal.
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#3 Posted : Saturday, May 22, 2010 1:01:06 PM(UTC)
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Image ----

http://img63.imageshack....mg63/5126/image083x.jpg

Size: approx 9 x 15 --- it's very large
Wool pile - reds heavily corroded - but still nice enough to enjoy.
Edges - very worn - most of the over-cast is gone. However - I can now see the cotton weft - which is white with grey shoots.
Warp - Fairly sure it's cotton - but very yellow looking.
Knots are asymetric -

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#4 Posted : Saturday, May 22, 2010 1:02:47 PM(UTC)
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The white spot that you see is whitewash.

This rug was found at a thrift store - for nearly nothing.

I'm no longer thinking Kerman - Possibly Kurdish.

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#5 Posted : Saturday, May 22, 2010 1:41:23 PM(UTC)
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It´s an old Sarugh. Would make me wonder there is any Cochineal in the carpet. Maybe in relation to the Indigo the red seems to be more worn. Indigo dyed wool is more stable than madder f.e.
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#6 Posted : Saturday, May 22, 2010 2:12:13 PM(UTC)
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Thanks, Chris - I was thinking Kurdish region - I looked at the Sarouk pages with spongobongo - and I'd agree.

The top and bottom have very soft maroon pile - although time has frayed that area, some.

I suspect it's late 19th century, since the red (or brown) dye is corroded.

No evidence of a family name on this piece.

Question is - with 5 square feet of whitewash paint, and at least 30 feet of over-cast to restore - is this carpet worth restoring?




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It looks 1920s or later to me, perhaps 1940s. (But I'm not an expert.) It looks like a painted Sarouk (or American Sarouk), or something made to look like an American Sarouk. Is the red on the back different from the red on the front?

If it was 19th century, it would probably be worth restoring.

As it is, I would probably try getting the whitewash off by hand (perhaps literally shave it off), sometimes things like that work. Overcasting the selvages or securing the ends should not be expensive.
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The red on the back is almost pink. The red on the front is much darker.

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Painted Sarouk, then.
Perhaps the dye they used for painting corroded it? Just an (uninformed) guess.
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Looks like a 1930 painted Sarouk (no pun intended). Nice overall design. Too bad about the whitewash. Price is good so worth scraping the paint off.
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#11 Posted : Saturday, May 22, 2010 5:08:54 PM(UTC)
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Shereen - thanks for your sharp eyes ---- you nailed it.

Funny thing is - I often guess the age a carpet by comparing the brightness of the front vs. the back of the carpet.

I feel kind of dumb not noticing that the color was moving in the wrong direction!

The color on this carpet is really great - and it endures a citrus-based paint stripper just fine (small experimental section).

I'm taking it to a pro, though - for the rest of the work.

We'll strip the paint, wash the carpet, and restore the sides.

Not messing with the top and bottom - and won't be trying to strip it.

I suspect the paint used to paint this carpet had acidic chemistry. Just hoping it doesn't get worse. The carpet looks great right now.
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#12 Posted : Sunday, May 23, 2010 6:11:43 AM(UTC)
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An article about what American Saruk are:

http://www.internetrugs....iental_rugs_page_2.html

Read about age, about re-coloring, about design. Those rugs are from 1920-1940 at all. Real antique Saruk from pre 1900 looks different.
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