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steve Murdock Offline
#1 Posted : Friday, May 7, 2010 5:47:38 AM(UTC)
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I inherited this rug I think it was made somewhere between 1890 and 1930.
There are more then 12 colors.
It is 6' 8" x 4' 2".
I believe it is silk, although it feels like wool.
I also believe it is one layer.
Thank you for your time in helping me with my rug.


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#2 Posted : Friday, May 7, 2010 5:59:51 AM(UTC)
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Steve,

It's hard to tell from the pictures, sometimes Kilims have bits of silk (for instance the white parts of the designs) woven in to them. As I said, it's difficult to tell from that picture.
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#3 Posted : Friday, May 7, 2010 6:05:52 AM(UTC)
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Thank you!
Wow you were quick, I was still downloading pictures. There are 4 pics now.
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#4 Posted : Friday, May 7, 2010 9:17:42 AM(UTC)
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All silk would, I believe, be extremely rare. The charcoal and red definitely look like wool to me, the rest I can't tell for sure, but compatible with being wool, but the best test is the burn-sniff test, wool smells different than silk.

Border design and colours suggest Turkish to me, and yes, has probably some age.

What are the colours like on the back? The pale lavender and the light greyish green, are they any different on the back? This may help with dating.
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#5 Posted : Friday, May 7, 2010 10:53:36 AM(UTC)
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Thank you for your time and expertise. The color is the same on the front and back. It is reversible.
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#6 Posted : Friday, May 7, 2010 11:54:33 AM(UTC)
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My question about colours did not concern the reversibility, rather whether the colours had faded into noticeably different shades on one side of the kilim (or on both, of course, if it was used with either side up, in which latter case one needs to look between the wefts to see whether colour shades are different "within" the rug, as it were).
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#7 Posted : Friday, May 7, 2010 2:14:35 PM(UTC)
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This has nothing to do with silk. It is a Sarköy Tekirdag from about 1940. All wool.

Shereen...please tell me the difference between burned silk and wool Whistle
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#8 Posted : Friday, May 7, 2010 3:12:11 PM(UTC)
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Shereen, The pale lavender and the light greyish green are lighter on one side. And in those colors there are some variations.
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#9 Posted : Friday, May 7, 2010 3:52:19 PM(UTC)
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Chris wrote:
This has nothing to do with silk. It is a Sarköy Tekirdag from about 1940. All wool.

Shereen...please tell me the difference between burned silk and wool Whistle


OK, ahem, Chris, they both smell sort of like burned hair, so, yeah, not so easy to do as a test, you're right. (At least I got you to use an emoticon.)

In order to notice the difference, you need to have roughly similar amounts of 100% wool and 100% silk, and burn them in the same place (but only after the smell of the previous one has disappeared completely, of course). Wool (i) has a more earthy/pungy/hairy smell, and (ii) the same amount of wool burnt smells noticeably more than the silk, meaning for instance you can smell it noticeably further away from the burning source.
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#10 Posted : Friday, May 7, 2010 4:14:27 PM(UTC)
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Nice Kilim. It is wool from Turkey. Nice fine weave and good colors. Not sure about the age. My feeling is late first quarter 20th century.
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