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#1 Posted : Tuesday, May 4, 2010 3:55:47 AM(UTC)
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Hello-new to the board and would like some information on origin, age and value.

4' x 11', sold as 19th century.

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Let me now what you think, and thanks!
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, May 4, 2010 4:28:06 AM(UTC)
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Just curious; was it sold to you and for how much? Welcome and I'm sure you will be gettting an answer. I'm not the one to supply it.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, May 4, 2010 8:10:02 AM(UTC)
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Yes, very nice old Kurdish rug. Great design but not so good colors. If it was a good Bijar Gerus you have to pay a lot of money. 19th century? More early 20th.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, May 4, 2010 8:19:19 AM(UTC)
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Thanks to both of you, especially Chris. Do you think 1900-1930? Also, if Kurdish, what area? Sorry to be so full of questions. Have you a suggestion for reading material pertinent to this type? Is this a Bijar Gerus? Thanks so much!

I just bought this yesterday, and didn't spend much.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, May 4, 2010 8:27:25 AM(UTC)
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Is is not Gerus Bijar. I really do not know were it precisly come from. Surely from the bright range between Malayer and Azerbaijan. Without woolen foudation my first guess was Bibikabad. But with also Shasawan.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, May 4, 2010 8:32:14 AM(UTC)
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Thank you so much. It has a cotton foundation? You people are amazing!
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, May 4, 2010 8:33:31 AM(UTC)
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It has wool foundation.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, May 4, 2010 4:08:57 PM(UTC)
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outstanding design. agree with chris regarding colors not being fantastic, but should have very decent interest in resale or other
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, May 4, 2010 4:41:49 PM(UTC)
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RP, Thanks. What is wrong with the colors? Are they too faded or just not appealing? What's it worth? Thanks!
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, May 4, 2010 6:30:20 PM(UTC)
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As the colors on the back and front of the rug are almost identical, although they appear somewhat faded, the rug is unlikely to actually have faded.

The producers of oriental tribal and village rugs did not just weave/knot the rugs, but also usually produced the dyes themselves from vegetable matter using various complex chemical processes, and preparing the wool so that it would absorb the dye and be colorfast. Thus the quality of an antique rug depends not just on design and weaving (knotting) but also on the quality of the dyes.

Towards the end of the 19th century, synthetic dyes were introduced from the West, and were taken up by many weavers. These early synthetic dyes were not of good quality, though.

The reds and pinks in your rug may be early synthetic dyes or otherwise poorly produced natural dyes, and the yellow (or yellow-greenish-like) color is also not of high quality.

Generally, the colors lack uniformity, and although some variation (abrash) in colours is a sign of an original tribal or village rug, on your rug it looks more as if the colors were perhaps not completely colorfast to start with.

Cf. colors with those of the rug on the photo attached.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, May 4, 2010 7:04:53 PM(UTC)
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Thank you for that information; it was very helpful and much appreciated!
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