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Nice old rug - no idea what it is
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#1 Posted : Friday, March 5, 2010 5:33:05 AM(UTC)
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We had this rug brought in to our store and are a bit puzzled as to what it is, there are elements that we think are reminiscent of Heriz, Feraghan, Bahktiari and Ghazvin but we're not sure. We're having it repaired (either to save it from selvage/fringe damage or depending on quotes sent back to Iran to have the moth damage re-woven) but the owners would like to know what it is, age, worth etc as they inherited it. They think it's around 100 years old.

It's 12ft x 8ft 6" - a lovely piece we just can't quite place what it is/worth?







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#2 Posted : Friday, March 5, 2010 12:09:06 PM(UTC)
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as soon as I saw the photo before I read your description my first thought was Bakhtiari.
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this looks like a very special rug, was it reduced? do you have more photos?
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#4 Posted : Saturday, March 6, 2010 12:35:23 AM(UTC)
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RugPro wrote:
this looks like a very special rug, was it reduced? do you have more photos?


RugPro - a couple brought it in yesterday to see what we could do in terms of repair and cleaning. We've given them quotes for doing cleaning and fringe/selvage repair which they were happy to do. However we also told them we could have it sent back to Iran to be repaired to a higher standard where they might be able to solve the old moth damage as well - we've done this for massive repairs such as for this Nain rug but it will cost several thousand £s. I'm also not sure how well they'll be able to match the dye for an old rug - it was fairly easy for the Nain.

It is a very nice rug and they seem to have the money to spend on it for sentimental value but we'd like to be able to tell them if repairing it would be worth the money.

Here are some pictures of the damage, there's 2 or 3 more areas of moth damage (we've still got the rug here if other pictures are needed):











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#5 Posted : Saturday, March 6, 2010 1:12:24 AM(UTC)
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144 KPSI although on first glance it appeared a lot more (good tight knotting). 2 ply yarn. Light blue/grey weft...
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when I first saw this I thought it was very old. maybe mid 19th century. now thinking about it there are elements of the ardebil carpet in the medallion, which makes me think it's more toward the turn of 20th or just a bit earlier than the mid 19th. without question it is 100 years. it's a very beautiful rug. maybe send it to turkey, the good specialists use antique wool from old kilims to match. i think a couple thousand in usd would easily be justifiable. age is very difficult to say without handling the rug, but it is a desirable rug with great design
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We were thinking Bahktiari colouring, Heriz type border, elements of Khoy, the central medallion does look like an Ardabil but the rest of the rug doesn't although we're not familiar with Ardabil rugs of this age. The owners thought it was 1880-1920 which is probably about as specific as we can get too.

They don't mind the moth damage but want to pass it on to their children and I think they obviously have the money to repair it so it's really going to be a case of just how much the repair quotes come in and just how much they like the rug/think their children will want the moth damage repaired - they say they barely notice it - I'm a bit concerned with cleaning it might become more noticeable if the rug brightens.
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i would not spare expenses in repairing this rug. I don't think it's as new as 1920. does it have any low pile or wear besides the moth problem?
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A couple of small areas but in general the pile seems to be its original height.
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#10 Posted : Sunday, March 7, 2010 1:21:21 AM(UTC)
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I have my doubts about this rug. I do not think it is that old, and it is not persian from what I see on the pictures. It is right, elements from different persian proveniences are in the rug. To me it looks like a typical 1950`s romanian Bucaresti bastard that merried all kinds of styles from persian originals. On picture one the first impression the colors gave me (not! the design) was Agra. The lila / lavender is common in Agra rugs. But picture 2 tells a lot more: structure very even like Tabriz, but double shirazi like caucasian or turkish. Kelim border in combination with double shirazi and knot structure would make me say 90% romanian. To me, the high pile and the poor quality of wool are also arguments against 1920 or older. A restauration in Turkey would be a good idea and should not cost a fortune.
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#11 Posted : Sunday, March 7, 2010 1:30:44 AM(UTC)
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Very confused now... the wool looked a decent quality (the rug's very dusty at present) and the knotting looks well done. I'll try to find out more about it's history.

Basically need to be able to tell them what (if anything) it's worth in present condition and what it would be worth if repaired to a high standard - I doubt they'll increase the rugs value at the same level as the costs of repairs but it will help them decide whether it's worth it from a sentimental/heirloom value for their kids.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:05:23 PM(UTC)
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hi
i know alittle bid about this beautiful bakhtiari
itis about 90 / 100 years old and i love that yellow (zard choobehi)
dont spend more than $1200 on this rug
it is worth at this condition (not to see it in person )not more than $2000
without any damages 4800 / $5200 in this bad market
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