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#1 Posted : Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:56:41 AM(UTC)
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I can't recall if this rug is from Iran or Afghanistan - but my friend acquired it from an auction in the mid 90's in England, and was informed that it is a very old antique rug that was used as a tent cover for a warlord. It still has the loops for the tent.

Any idea regarding its value and/or any thoughts in general?
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, December 16, 2009 10:05:12 AM(UTC)
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This rug has a design common on Afghan rugs. Originally, these were Turkmen Ensi rugs, i.e. they were used to cover the entrances of their tents. (Hence the loop). The design is called hatchli. As this design proved popular, it is also used these days frequently on commercially woven Afghan rugs.

For age and value, the experts on this forum are needed, I can't say.
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#3 Posted : Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:52:50 AM(UTC)
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This is Kargai rug from Afghanistan. retail price about 400$.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, December 17, 2009 5:48:58 AM(UTC)
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This is very interesting. Thank you all so far for your thoughts. I spoke with my friend and he is very curious about getting to the bottom of this. He is considering taking the rug to a local store where he lives for their thoughts. He is wondering if he got "hoodwinked" to use his phrase. He bought the rug at an annual rug auction in England. He was informed that it was a very antique, one-of-a-kind rug --- and he paid approximately $8,000 for it in 1996. Is the retail price $400 for a new version of the rug - if it were a knock-off of the antiques (new?) ...Or, is just quite simply that he was tricked... and a very old / antique version of this rug - like he owns --- is quite simply, worth about $400 retail...
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#5 Posted : Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:07:33 AM(UTC)
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When your friend buys this rug he was a maximum 5-7 years old. He had been tricked.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:38:52 AM(UTC)
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How can you determine the rug was a maximum of 5 - 7 years old - ?
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#7 Posted : Thursday, December 17, 2009 7:21:27 AM(UTC)
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Send a few more detail pics. My first guess also was it is a newer Afghan weaving.
And what wonderful story about the warlord?! If a seller would tell me such a tale i would not buy.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, December 17, 2009 7:33:16 AM(UTC)
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http://www.bukhara-carpets.com/afghan_ensi.jpg

I have similar rugs 7-8 years ago. for example, this on photo - size 210 x 261 cm. We sold it for $ 600.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:09:49 AM(UTC)
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Bukhara - did yoru rugs have the loops where it would/could hang from a tent? Chris - I'll see if I can send more detailed pictures.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:17:22 AM(UTC)
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Antique turkmen ensis don't have loops like the one on the photo. Usually they have no large hanging devices, or at least not any more.


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#11 Posted : Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:15:01 AM(UTC)
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IloveRugs wrote:
Bukhara - did yoru rugs have the loops where it would/could hang from a tent? Chris - I'll see if I can send more detailed pictures.


No, but can be there in 2 hours.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, December 17, 2009 2:35:31 PM(UTC)
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hahah... :)

How can we determine if the rug is authentic 18th century? (And if so, probably worth more than $400 - $600) - ?
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#13 Posted : Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:22:31 PM(UTC)
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bukhara and Chris are rug dealers. They have seen thousands and thousands of rugs. They have given you their opinion. They can give you more details as to when and where in the 20th century this rug was produced if you provide more detailed pictures.

(The rug is not an 18th or 19th century Turkmen, because 18th and 19th century Turkmen ensis look different, in many respects: e.g. colors, wool, weave, true Turkmen designs, tribe-specific design-combinations, kilim ends, fringe.)

The best thing for you to do may be simply roll the rug up and drive to the nearest oriental rug dealer in your area and ask their opinion. I see you are in NYC. So you could for instance go to Doris Leslie Blau, they are experts in antique rugs.


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#14 Posted : Sunday, December 20, 2009 6:11:18 PM(UTC)
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#15 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2010 5:19:00 AM(UTC)
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Not sure of this is Karghahi or an older version which the modern Karghahis are based on. If it is the Karghahi in the UK it would cost about £800-1200, obviously it would cost more if it is an older Khal Mohammadi or Turkman piece but I think $8,000 (£5,500?) seems very steep regardless, even at retail. It's a nice rug but I think he might have been "hoodwinked" as you say.

What I don't get is how the price would have ever got that high at auction?
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#16 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:18:57 AM(UTC)
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Hi I am sorry to hear that your friend paid too much for this rug. This is an Afghani carpet. We call Ensi Hatchlu (cross) is the typical door hanging at the entrance to a nomad's tent (yurt). They are made the same way as hand-knotted carpets and have gain popularity in west. They are also known as perde "curtain" in the region. You can also find antique perdes but unfortunately this one is not. This is early 90's. Bright blue and green. I guess you friend didn't use to much. This carpet cost about $1200 to $1500 . Thank you.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:49:54 AM(UTC)
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The original mail is from December, and I don't think the poster checks the site anymore.
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