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The hunt and O'Galleire strikes again
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#1 Posted : Wednesday, December 2, 2009 9:29:35 PM(UTC)
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I and one other person recently mentioned that the fun part of rug buying was the hunt. Today I agree more than ever.
Today, I got a call from the Abrigal, the Christie's Auction rug buyer, on a rug that I purchased last July at O"Galleries. O'Gallerie's is the auction house where another rug made it to the NY auctions.

Last July purchased two rugs for $100 including fees from O'Gallerie's day auction. Day auctions are junk that aren't expect to bring $100. Since it was a day auction it's not included in their achirves. One was a 1980 unique very early war rug that I won't waste you time on.

I took the Christie's call rug to two local antique rug dealers. Both said it was a special 1890's that was part of history and that it needed to go back to Turkey for quality restoration. Both mentioned that once restored that it would be a Christie's type rug. That restoration would cost up to $4,000 so I just held on to the rug.

Recently someone suggested that I send pictures to major NY auctions houses and ask them what needed to be done to the rug.

To my surprise I recieved a call after one week. The buyer said, due to the damage, the rug would not be appropiate for their rug auctions. This was no surprise to me, and I expected her to say, thanks but no thanks. However, she stated the rug could be put in their interior decor auction and bring $2,000 to $2,500 (less 25% fee plus postage and illustration fees). She was apologetic and thought I would probably want to keep it since that was below my expectations.

Of course, she was shocked when I told her I bought it for $50 and even $1,500 would be great. She keep repeating how great of a rug it was due to color and design. She suggested I take it James Opie, who lives here in Portland and see if he has a buyer. So that is my next step.

Christie's does't take repaired rug so sending it to Turkey was not an option (she then mentioned some Turkish restorer are so good it presents a problem for Christie to tell the difference.)

I will contact Opie,but I expect to call her again, get the paper work, and send it in. She is on vacation next week so that will take some time. If anyone is interested I'll give you an update and an auction number. Ofcourse I could be givng you a tall tale so until I produce the auction number I have nothing but a story
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, December 2, 2009 11:10:50 PM(UTC)
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Btuma6.

I am cofused. Of course Christies offer restorated rugs and carpets. Sothebys too.
4.000 USD for repairing the rug in Turkey is to much. Something around 2.000,- USD is more realistic.

Well, you didn´t tell us what kind of rug this is. I guess it is an around 1890 Gendje. The colors are really nice because of the lightness. But i disbelieve the rug in this condition is more worth than 1.000,- USD at best. But even that would be a great deal for you, congratulation.

Chris



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#3 Posted : Wednesday, December 2, 2009 11:41:33 PM(UTC)
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A local antique rug dealer got a direct quote from Turkey of $4,000. Was he over charging me at this price? Could be, I didn't get a second opinion.
He told me it was a Shahsavan. Christie's thought it was a Kazak, but, of course, couldn't tell for sure until it is was in hand. Her, Christie's, statement was their client's do not want restored rugs, or should I say not the amount that it would take to restore this rug. Possibily that is what she was stating. Her statement about great repairs in Turkey might mean the difference in price between amount of repair.
She also said in good condition it would be a $6,000 rug so it would make sense for me to restore it if it cost $2,000. I'm only takning her advice.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, December 3, 2009 12:01:04 AM(UTC)
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I can imagine the price of the Gendje could be 6.000,- USD in best time and in best condition.

But with repairs the rug did not get this price. Do not think about the chance. Do not repair.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, December 3, 2009 1:25:39 AM(UTC)
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Chris I certainly agree. In this enviroment there are too many if. Any estimate of value is only that until the hammer comes down or check is written.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, December 3, 2009 8:05:35 PM(UTC)
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It looks like a Shirvan to me 3rd quarter of the 19th century maybe earlier and I bet that Balouch is the other rug
that came with it. Years from now you'll say I should have kept that or those rugs. Never assume you
will always find another one.
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#7 Posted : Friday, December 4, 2009 3:13:44 PM(UTC)
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How about a picture of the selvages when you get a chance. I really liked that Balouch
and wish I could have bought it. You should ask
Christies what they think of it. You don't have to tell them you already sold it.
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#8 Posted : Friday, December 4, 2009 5:52:42 PM(UTC)
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Ed, I add a picture of the selvage later this evening. You are right about keeping the rugs, and there is a part of me that wants to keep this rug after talking to James Opie. Opie wasn't even sure of the origin except for it being Caucasian.
He agreed with Chris that the value would not approach $2,000. He also commented that it could be restored in Turkey for less than $1,000. If that it true why shoud I spend a $1,000 on a small silk isfahan rather than having this from another century. Of course the danger is a low hammer price at Christie's. Although it would be nice to have a rug in the auction. The buyer is gone for a week so I'll see what she has to say.
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#9 Posted : Friday, December 4, 2009 7:35:45 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for the quick reply but that doesn't show me what I need to see. Is there any original selvage remaining
that you could describe or photograph. What color is it, or is multicolored? Opie is mostly known for SW Persian
Rugs, I have his book somewhere, not that he doesn't know other rugs. I think he's on the Antiques Road Show
sometimes. Anyway if you do send it somewhere for repair make sure you know the people well because there isn't
as much work to do as it appears. The re-knotting goes very quickly and I wouldn't expect more than a week of work
or less.
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#10 Posted : Friday, December 4, 2009 8:56:49 PM(UTC)
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Sorry, Ed, when I wrote later in the evening I wasn't refering to the first picture I added. Hopefuly, these are the ones you requested.
One obvious lesson I've learned is to examine the motives when you getting consul even if it seems neutral.
Some of the face to face consul was for the dealers profit.

Right now the course I am going to follow is to tallk the Christie's buyer about confidence in her evaluation. She also wseemed to know the best Turkish restorer.

If I can only get $700-$800 (after their 25%, plus shipping plus illustration fees) and if I can get restoration done for $700-$800, I will probably keep the rug.
Today my personal rugs are contempary so I dont really have a place to display it . However, that can change. The personal worth of the rug to me is the story of the hunt, the desirablility of the rug, and that's not just a rug I bought, but a rug that I got from the junk heap and help restore its beauty.

Thanks for the help, and if the selvage helps you more, great.
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#11 Posted : Friday, December 4, 2009 9:38:11 PM(UTC)
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Those are perfect and I still think your rug is a Shirvan and maybe it would get a few thousand or
more, you never can tell at an auction. It is a very attractive rug from a desirable group intact without
holes, etc. Some people believe you shouldn't restore rugs like this but display them the way they are but
that's up to the owner. I guess it's like refinishing furniture. I'd think twice about selling this one especially
with the market down so much. You can always sell it in the future. The story of the hunt is better if you
keep some of the prizes.
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