Welcome Guest Search | Active Topics | Log In | Register

Kazak?
Options
Previous Topic Next Topic
jesco white Offline
#1 Posted : Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:40:42 PM(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member
Groups: Member

Joined: 11/10/2009(UTC)
Posts: 62
Points: 213
Location: Tucson
Hi everyone,

I'm new to the forum and have inherited a rug I don't know anything about. I don't care about appraisals or value but love handmade rugs and am hoping this might be one. I've surfed the internet reading everything I can and I'm hoping it might be a Kazak rug based on the abrash colors and geometric designs.

The first picture is the top, kinda small, not much detail. The second picture is the back with the knots and a little fringe. That one's big and might give you more detail. Or if you email me I'll email you back better pictures. chinesenickel@yahoo.com

http://img69.imageshack....mg69/7476/unkownrug.jpg
http://img97.imageshack....g97/440/unknownback.jpg

Any thoughts? Any shared insight would be greatly appreciated.

Jesco White
Tucson AZ
Back to top
WWW
Sponsor  
 

Love the Rug Rag Forums?

Register above, then purchase a monthly Forum Pass for Full Access
Back to top  
jesco white Offline
#2 Posted : Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:14:10 PM(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member
Groups: Member

Joined: 11/10/2009(UTC)
Posts: 62
Points: 213
Location: Tucson
Alright I just noticed the attach button so I'll try and attach a picture of the front.

What do you folks think? Machine made? :(

Ed, Rug Pro, Chris? I've been reading through other threads and I'm amazed at your knowledge.
jesco white attached the following image(s):
unkown rug.jpg
Back to top
WWW
 |  Edit by user
netjim Offline
#3 Posted : Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:00:23 PM(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member

Groups: Dealers, Member

Joined: 4/19/2008(UTC)
Posts: 173
Points: 528
Location: Florida
My thoughts are mostly from the other pic but it really doesn't show the detail the forum asks for.
Please show a closer pic of the rear at one end, clearly showing the fringe.....perhaps at a corner.
What I see in the one pic of the rear would seem to indicate that the fringe has been applied as on a machine made rug.
Back to top
WWW
jesco white Offline
#4 Posted : Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:33:48 PM(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member
Groups: Member

Joined: 11/10/2009(UTC)
Posts: 62
Points: 213
Location: Tucson
Hey thanks for the reply Net Jim. I know the pictures are lacking but that's all I've got right now. Unfortunately I took the pics before I stumbled on to this amazing website.

Here's a couple detail pics--does this tell you anything else? Anyone else want to chime in?


jesco white attached the following image(s):
Unknown back detail.jpg .jpg
unknown back corner.jpg
Back to top
WWW
RugPro Offline
#5 Posted : Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:57:58 PM(UTC)
Rank: Administration

Groups: Administration, Dealers, Member

Joined: 2/9/2008(UTC)
Posts: 2,285
Points: 6,103
Location: New York
this is a machine made carpet, probably synthetic. Design is eclectic, it's a mix from many weaving areas. Machine made rugs sometimes mix them up more than hand knotted.
Back to top
jesco white Offline
#6 Posted : Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:19:43 PM(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member
Groups: Member

Joined: 11/10/2009(UTC)
Posts: 62
Points: 213
Location: Tucson
Hey thanks--that's what I suspected... But the funny thing is researching this rug has me hooked on real deal. The more I read the more I want to know and the more I want to pick up a couple rugs of my own.

In fact I contacted an Afghani friend of mine who travels back and forth between the US and Afghanistan and he's excited to shop rugs for me. He was born and raised there and speaks the language. He just needs to know what I'm looking for and he'll do the rest. He'll even bring a couple back for me with no shipping costs.

That said, what would some of you rug experts be in the market for if you were in my shoes? Types of Afghan rugs, styles, designs? Colors?

Any thoughts on Afghan made Kazaks?
Back to top
WWW
Chris Offline
#7 Posted : Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:05:05 AM(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member
Groups: Member

Joined: 5/14/2009(UTC)
Posts: 358
Points: 1,137
Location: Germany
Hi Jesco.

The easiest way to find a good worthfull old rug is to go to an auctioneer. It must be one of the famous who sell fine rugs. And than you fasten on some of the professionell buyers, it must be a group of Afghanis or Iranis. Wait. Find a rug you like. Wait a while. If there are three or even better more bidders on this piece you have to do a bid, buy the rug with a price you fixed before.

Chris
Back to top
jesco white Offline
#8 Posted : Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:24:42 AM(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member
Groups: Member

Joined: 11/10/2009(UTC)
Posts: 62
Points: 213
Location: Tucson
Wow, interesting strategy. So basically go to a reputable auction, wait for some local buyer to show interest in a rug and then outbid them?

Chris have you ever bought locally from Afghanistan? Can anyone ballpark a price range for a high quality 7x10' or so rug at an Afghani auction?
Back to top
WWW
bukhara Offline
#9 Posted : Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:20:26 AM(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member

Groups: Member, Dealers

Joined: 10/19/2009(UTC)
Posts: 283
Points: 864
Location: Luxembourg
high quality 7x10 'will have a price around 1000 $ (for example Mushwani rugs)
Back to top
WWW
Chris Offline
#10 Posted : Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:35:56 AM(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member
Groups: Member

Joined: 5/14/2009(UTC)
Posts: 358
Points: 1,137
Location: Germany
Yes. This is the only way to buy as a newby without making big loss. Otherwise you are buying without knowledge but with great passion.
I never bought from Afghanistan. Mushwani old Baluch f.e., bukhara told before, are good pieces from there. But how will you decide it is old? It should be from natural colors.
Back to top
jesco white Offline
#11 Posted : Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:49:17 AM(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member
Groups: Member

Joined: 11/10/2009(UTC)
Posts: 62
Points: 213
Location: Tucson
Great advice, and not something I would have ever thought of on my own... Thanks guys.

$1000 is a lot of money for me; hypothetically if my buddy out bids a handful of local buyers on a rug and ships it back here for free is the payoff there? I'm not going to re-sell it but would you say it's a risk I should take?

Or as a novice should I just give him a couple hundred bucks to play with and find something new that I just like? Like an Afghan made Kazak?
Back to top
WWW
bukhara Offline
#12 Posted : Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:49:49 AM(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member

Groups: Member, Dealers

Joined: 10/19/2009(UTC)
Posts: 283
Points: 864
Location: Luxembourg
I have told about NEW Mushwani rugs, they are a bit similar to Tekke, but have very small gul. colors like Khal Mohammadi, but their quality much better. They have a warp from light wool.
Back to top
WWW
Chris Offline
#13 Posted : Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:57:01 AM(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member
Groups: Member

Joined: 5/14/2009(UTC)
Posts: 358
Points: 1,137
Location: Germany
Bad idea, Jesco. You will gamble with your money...and this in that hard times. Buy as i said on an auction. Look for cataloges. Go online. Why it must be an Afghan? And why an Afghan Kazak? What the hell is an Afghan Kazak? Do you mean the kind of Afghan Chobi there are on market?
Back to top
Chris Offline
#14 Posted : Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:59:53 AM(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member
Groups: Member

Joined: 5/14/2009(UTC)
Posts: 358
Points: 1,137
Location: Germany
Take a look at metropolitancarpet.com to get a overview were you are looking for. There are seller prices, not auction prices.
Back to top
jesco white Offline
#15 Posted : Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:14:34 AM(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member
Groups: Member

Joined: 11/10/2009(UTC)
Posts: 62
Points: 213
Location: Tucson
Thanks Chris for the auction website.

Hahaha I guess I don't know what the hell and Afghan made Kazak is either... I'm embarrassed to be in the company of you guys, knowing as little as I do.

The reason I'm asking about Afghan rugs is because I have an Afghani friend who comes and goes from the US and Afghanistan and speaks the language. I showed some interested in Afghani rugs and he's excited to buy one for me and bring it back.

Personally I like Kazak rugs which I understand are Caucasian, not Persian. But reading online I've found that some Afghan rug makers have adopted that style? But then again I don't really know what I'm talking about so anyone who wants to jump in that'd be great.

I'm interested to see if my Afghani friend is willing to go to some local auctions for me but I love the idea. Maybe he'd be willing to go a few up just to get a feel for how they work and what rugs are going for. Then after he's a little more familiar with the process/prices he could buy one for me.
Back to top
WWW
 |  Edit by user
Users browsing this topic
Guest
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Powered by YAF | YAF © 2003-2010, Yet Another Forum.NET
This page was generated in 0.151 seconds.