...seller states\;

"persian kashan rug, Measures 13 1/2' x 10' mid to late 1930's. The coloring and detail work is outstanding, Professionally appraised for $10k at wholesale pricing, Selling for $5,500"

thoughts? love the rug, but can't offer anything near what he's asking...

Want to buy this?

Chris

Chris: very nice rug but i imagine you'll ask a lot more than i'm willing to offer...i like to try and find rugs that are of high quality really cheap... i also like the interaction on the forum and learning about rugs (particular antique sarouks, kermans, etc.) as well... also, i'm more into the darker colors, like the rug listed... however, if i saw the rug you are showing for 500 dollars, i'd buy it!

rugpro: i put an email into the owner, but haven't heard back yet...so i guess we'll see... thanks again, as always!!! and assuming i don't get the information you asked for, would you still be able to give a ball park on value either way if it were a kashan or sarouk? i'm still very interested in knowing your thoughts!

...and i guess i'm still looking for my next big find!

The 2nd and last picture look like Kashan. I've seen quite a few of these rugs and some have a very fine weave up to 400 knots per inch or more.
This one looks a bit coarser. Have to see the back. I'd say Kashan though. The wool looks better than your average Sarouk.

there are a lot of rug dealers with reputation that people don't really know. it's possible the guy knows his stuff. perhaps give a call to eli peer. It's not uncommon people find a rug that looks like theirs on someones website, then makes the assumption theirs is the same.

http://www.peerrugs.com/2_1_1_06.html

That's the rug the person is referencing. It is a Kashan as listed on the site. The rug you posted we would really have to see the back of. there's a 10% chance it could be Kashan, but that's a very unlikely scenario. As for the value, I mean, we don't even know what type of rug we're looking at yet. Probably Sarouk....

plus, this guy seems like he's playing games with the numbers too. rarely will a dealer appraise a rug at wholesale for consumers.

...better not. I think the US market will pay a bit more than the German. ,-)

there are 1930's american sarouks in upwards of 250 KPSI. also kashans similar vintage as low as 120 kpsi range too. I agree, the rug is not as fine as a manchester kashan which usually hover in the 225 - 325 range. Also, the colors appear to be more purplish, of which I have yet to see a manchester kashan outside of the deep red or dark blue family. I would exclude manchester kashan for many, many reasons. But am absolutely ready to see the back of this rug. for no other reason outside of curiosity. I think it may have a lemon wash. If I had to guess kpsi for this rug, maybe something like 120-160 max

If i had to put money on it, it's a sarouk. If I had to put money in it.... it wouldn't be $5 grands

ps. this rug still has a couple decades to be an antique

Nobody else is going to agree that this rug is a Kashan, it sure doesn't look like Chris's Sarouk . Jahan you haven't had any painted
Kashans in your shop. Eli Peer has some very respectable pieces on his web page and he seems to have the origin right so telling a
Sarouk from a Kashan shouldn't be hard for him. The wool has a gloss or shine that you don't find in normal wool. That's a sign that's
there is something different here and it's not an average rug. Average would be Sarouk, Kashan would be not average ie. above
average. Therefore we have a Kashan with Manchester wool probably coarser than most but still a Kashan.

...and i love the dialoge this rug has created...unfortunately, though, my request to get pictues of the back of the rug by the owner has fallen on def ears...i'm assuming it's because he knows i am not going to buy it... i'll try again, but we may never know!

sorry!!!

manchester wool is from marino sheep processed in england. the market is pretty busted right now,