Hello.

Now its my turn to ask the rug people about a piece i bought yesterday. It is not in my hands but i am very curios to feel the quality in my fingers.
I have an idea. What is your opinion about orign and age? The size is about 6 by 4.

Thanks for helping with that problem!
Chris

Hi Ed.

The second big pic is put together by to pics...that was not my intention. The rug is complete...thank god!
Your guess is Bakshaish? I would not be angry about that. What about Ferahan!?

Chris

Yes, i understand.

I want to point out strongly the thumb on the last pic is NOT mine! ,-)

Ed,
two weeks ago i saw a Farahan you MUST say it is a Serapi. Same design but different weaving.
I hope the colors are as good as on the first pic. But on the backside i see two colors they are rather bright, a red and a orange. So i guess this is a 1910 one.

What did you mean with "or at least hope that's what it is was if I had it ca 1930."? My english is very miserable you must know.

Interesting thoughts on weaving area. I don't think it's farahan but could be. I would say old ardebil

I haven't seen too many rugs like this, but it just has several tabriz elements to it. The minor guard border is unlike anything I've ever seen in a farahan. It reminds me more of Tabriz. The main border is identical to a few antique tabriz rugs I have seen. When I can get a few better examples I'll post, but here's one I came across:

With that being said, I don't think it's Tabriz at all, but perhaps an not too far, e.g. Ardebil. I think the rug is too forward for ferahan. the weave is similar to one, but strikes me as more northern

ha i wish it were mine. I'm very inclined to say feraghan type, especially because of the border which is very much typical, but there are so many elements to this rug which makes me think ther may be a different attribution. I haven't really seen too many of the early second quarter of feraghan to really say, but the reason I say ardebil as a possibility is the finer weave, longer fringe (if original) and the hints to bijar, tabriz, and other types. It reminds me a lot of a rug I saw at a nyc dealer which he had marked as an ardebil too. I will see if I can get photos. either way, a very interesting rug

I think Rugpro got the area correct with Ardabil.
Look at these. I know they are newer but
they seem very similar.
http://www.rugman.com/Ar...ugs/group/170009_21.html

Hi Ed.

LOL...the same i posted before!
Well, Ardabil old rugs do have symmetric weaving i remember. And most wool warps. And look like this: http://www.susansilverantiques.com/Misc/52
The other kind of Ardabil is Meshkin or Sarab, this kind of Azerbaijan rugs aren´t old and the old one do also have woolen warps.
What i see in my rug is depressed asymmetric cotton warps.

Ed,
i will tell you!

Does it have one or two wefts between rows of knots?
Thanks for the update.

Original Feraghans had only one weft and are extremely rare, your design doesn't seem Feraghan but might be. I can't remember ever seeing
a Feraghan. If that is a Feraghan it's in very good shape. You did mean Feraghan and not Feraghan Sarouk?

I was only able to pull up the pic of the back on my computer, but it looks like a Bakhtiari to me. Is that a possibility?