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btuma6 Offline
#1 Posted : Monday, August 3, 2009 6:17:20 AM(UTC)
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Yesterday I purchased this rug at an estate sale for $170. The owner claimed she bought the rug from an auction in London.
It is 4X6. obviously has selvage issues, but has no repairs. The owner also claimed it is a prayer rug due to the middle design, but I don't think that is a mishrab and the size is wrong. Am I correct/

Thank you for your help.
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#2 Posted : Monday, August 3, 2009 10:59:24 AM(UTC)
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Looks like an Afghani Baluch
The motif is directional but not a prayer rug
Age is hard to pinpoint but I would say this is a newer production not antique
The color appears to have had a chemical wash but that may just be the photo colors
Not a bad purchase for $170
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#3 Posted : Monday, August 3, 2009 1:58:35 PM(UTC)
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(I continue to be amazed at how many people want to call most any rug that is about 3' x 5' a prayer rug....especially if it is directional.)
Shame on you


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#4 Posted : Monday, August 3, 2009 5:07:15 PM(UTC)
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Not even remotely a prayer rug. A prayer rug, though they can be of countless styles and forms, all have one thing in common. There is a representational "mihrab" or directional homing point opposite where the person will stand and which will be where their forehead touches when they do the prostration. Commonly they may look similar to buildings with narrowing pyramidal layers, or they may look like a lotus window, something very very distinct, not just a directional pattern. I'll try and load a few examples so you can see the difference.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, August 4, 2009 7:42:12 AM(UTC)
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I'd agree with the comments and add that I think this is about 60 years of age.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:35:00 PM(UTC)
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Looks like Persian Baluch ca. 1900. Nice rug strange to see warps so white must have been made for a special event maybe a wedding or a gift.
Maybe a little Afshar influence. Might be a bit older.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:25:35 PM(UTC)
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I did a little research after seeing your rug the other day and this type of rug is called an Arab Baluch or sometimes an Afshar Baluch. Unlike many Baluch it is woven with a symmetrical or Turkish knot. Can't tell for sure from the pictures but it looks like it was as well. The vase is a common feature in many Afshar rugs but rare in a Baluch to my knowledge, I've seen a few examples and all have been Arab Baluch. As far as age goes maybe the teens but I still think about 1900 or a little earlier. The fringe and kilim ends must have been protected somehow throughout its life to be in such good shape. As far as the white goes they may have just had white sheep but it's still nice wool and not all that uncommon.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:29:43 PM(UTC)
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Thank you for taking the extra researcj time. It is very appreciated
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:34:09 PM(UTC)
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Just one more thing about condition, it seems the issue isn't so much with wear but fixing agents in the dyes that caused the browns to become brittle. Probably
aided by a weekly vacuuming with a beater bar they disappeared down to the foundation. That's why the kilim ends and side cords are intact which wouldn't be
the case if the rug was worn to the knots in most cases. Just read something recently about weaving things for special occasions
and not many rugs fall in that category so yours more than likely wasn't.
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