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#1 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2009 12:24:19 PM(UTC)
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Posting rugs individually as Rugpro has asked.

The estate which I inherited had a rug in most every room, so I have a number of them.

It is more than likely that we will be selling the majority of them eventually, because we have pets, and I just do not believe they will stand up to needing daily vacuuming (maybe im incorrect in this assumption)

The first is the largest. It is 9'x12'. Does have a hole as pictured, and some very bad wear in spots.
One end shows better color than the other, and the second picture is a better representation of the color than the full rug shot.
The darkened spots you see that look like mass staining in the pics, are shadows from the railing, sorry.

This rug is one of my favorites of the bunch, however, I really do not know what rug restoration costs.





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#2 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2009 1:04:30 PM(UTC)
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Great to see this

It's a really nice piece, maybe from around 1900 or so probably a persian Fereghan Sarouk. they spell it a bunch of different ways, ferehan, feraghan, etc. Colors look nice and rich. There's really nice one in the blair house. If the rug is repaired professionally in this area, and does not have any other problems, the rug could be worth a very good amount - but do bear in mind very good restoration cost will be high. you want to have it restored to the best of its originality as possible.

the main objective would be to find someone with good reputation locally. I'm fairly certain if that one area is the worst of it (hopefully does not have dry rot) the rug will very well be worth restoring. The ends appear intact which is always a big plus. As the rug is right now, it's really not worth much unfortunately
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#3 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2009 1:30:01 PM(UTC)
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You mention that it could be worth "A very Good Amount" and that "very good restoration cost will be high"

Could you be slightly more specific? I dont want to be wasting anyones time speaking with a restoration company if the restoration is going to be way out of my price range.

Is it possible to quantify your "A very Good Amount" and "restoration cost will be high"

Are we talking hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands, in terms of these two values?
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The only area needing repair that I can see is the big rip. Restoration prices vary greatly. You could have someone throw a patch in there for very little money, but that would likely decrease the value of the rug further than what it may be worth right now. You could have someone do a decent repair, and have it increase the value nominally. The best thing to do for this rug would probably be to maintain as much of the original fibers as possible in restoration, and perhaps even send it overseas to have original, antique wool from older rugs such as kilims be used in restoration. if you throw new wool in there with new dyes, it just won't look the same. as you can imagine this could be a very expensive proposition. Depending on the extent of damage, despite high investment, opting for the more authentic restoration may be the ideal


I know it may seem as though I'm talking in ambiguous terms because no numbers are being mentioned. To get a better idea of the extent of repairs would need further description about any areas needing attention: that would mean any area with exposed foundation worn past the knot heads. Also, more detail on the nature of the damage: is the fiber dry, if you were to lightly crease the rug in this area, does it feel as though the rug will crack? Can you provide photographs of worn areas for this rug and approximate sizes? It's a big disadvantage to not have the rug in front of me and I don't want to mislead by throwing numbers out there without seeing areas and thorough description. Brick wall Please mention any other anomalies you see, percentage worn down the knot heads, percent with good pile, percent with full pile

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#5 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2009 3:56:08 PM(UTC)
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I will work on getting some more pictures this weekend for you.

The rug is not dry at all as far as I can tell. It folds/rolls (sorry not positive of the term) very smoothly with no signs of stressing or cracking.
The area that is worn through was a high traffic area near the center of the room. Family can recall this rug being in the center of the living room from atleast 1950-2009. It saw its share of foot traffic.

I really do appreciate all the assistance.
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really a beautiful rug, looking forward to additional photographs,

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#7 Posted : Monday, April 13, 2009 1:38:58 PM(UTC)
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Alright, here are the pics of the worst spots of wear.

The spots that look like sand, or white dirt, are actually some type of dust from what seems to be a deteriorated backing from another rug that was transported with this one to my home.

If I had to come up with a percentage, I would say this makes up definitely less than 10% of the rug. The hole is a fairly large area, being about 6"x3"(at the widest spots).Obviously its not a perfect square, so tough to measure, more like 2 small holes that have connected.
Let me know what else I can do/answer

My question, regarding the wear, is, how do certain spots like this wear so heavily? Many of these spots are less than an inch or two. Bad knotting? Certain Dye Color makes the threads more succeptable to wear? or...? It seems to me that the deeper greens look to have taken excessive wear.


















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#8 Posted : Monday, April 13, 2009 3:36:33 PM(UTC)
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Such a pretty rug, really. Great photos too. They show very clear what may be part of the culprit for the lower areas

Before reading this, i want to preface with saying of all the rugs you have here posted, this rug would be the most important to have someone inspect in person. If you opt for repair, you will want to get a firm estimate, and thorough explanation of proposed method and materials used. I don't think you necessarily stumbled into a jackpot, but it's not worth just beans either.

To answer your question about the wear, this is two probably two part.

1, use and age. typical wear pattern, unfortunately more heavy in some areas sthan other. But there's something else too.

2: Clear and undeniable heavy affect of dyes and or mordant in isolated areas: a high correlation between colors used and low areas. when you see this in a rug, it often indicates the weavers did not fully understand the long term affect of the dyes and/or mordant (used to make colors "fixed"). Wool subjected to this becomes "burned" with age, literally oxidizing and deteriorating making it more easily worn with use. Something used in creating the color of this wool was acidic. this is not uncommon to see lower piled areas of much older rugs although unlike this rug, most commonly these lower areas come from darker colors which were dyed repeatedly or used a corrosive metal to make the colors colorfast.

This rug should be properly fixed with formal restoration. Whether by you or a dealer or another individual. Formal restoration means not removing or eliminating materials unless integral to revitalizing the carpet., or having someone recreate the pile in the same spirit the rug was originally made or "better". You want to have proper quality used with similar gauge, same spin, or even reintroduce antique wool with similar color natural dyes which have a proven track record. they sometimes pull old wool from antique worn flatweaves because the wool is continuous and already has the aged look.

As-is, and from what I can see, figure you could probably sell the rug for anywhere from $1,200 to maybe as high as $2000 or more. depends who is the buyer. Selling as is I think would be the smartest thing but you should make your own decision. I would get several opinions

I would imagine cost of proper repair (and the rug does deserve proper repair) would go well into the 4 digits because there may be structural concerns which may be much larger than what we can see. Depending on who you take it to, they may advise more or less new knots be woven in. where you're located and what action may be taken, I would say a very good repair for all these areas would start at 3,000 or more. If it were my rug and wanted to repair, I would not have areas with knot heads showing re-woven, just the main damaged parts broken weft, and exposed foundation. You can see the copper wool has even affected other adjacent colors as well like the reds, no biggie to me, i'd rather keep the original knots

Auctions have been soft, so it is tough to say an [well] repaired final value, especially because originality would matter more for a rug like this that does not have heavy designer appeal. I would estimate providing excellent repair and all else equal, 8,000 - 12,000 at auction including buyer premium. Remember, auction houses will charge buyers AND seller premium, and taxes will need to be paid too... This auction value should be very carefully weighed with the time waiting for repair, change in markets, effort to find a good repairman for the job, upfront cost of having the rug repaired, etc.

If I were in your position, I would probably opt to sell the rug to a dealer or locally. For something like this dealers may even pay more because they often have more direct access to good trustworthy repairers. It's somewhat of cost prohibitive and time consuming proposal for individuals to pursue repair. I don't think this would be the best eBay rug, but its an easy way to get the rug out there. If you choose to go with ebay, i would set a fixed price with best offer for the first round. If you want I could ask to do a post on the main site for this rug to help get traffic.

As said before, unless you have fallen in love with the rug, repairing in your position is a lot of hassle, and you will not necessarily get the best result or money back if you choose to sell after. not to instill fear, but i have heard of cases where people pay for half of a repair up front, and a rug gets "lost".

On the other hand, if you find someone good, don't mind doing some investigation, and maybe want to learn more about rugs while doing so.... I think of all your rugs this one would have more sale potential. How much of a margin if any is up in the air, but worthy to sell as is for quick money.

Again, i would bring this to a local professional for full evaluation, but at least now you have some more information about what it is. A gorgeous example of a fereghan sarouk, natural dye, hand spun wool, approximately 100 years of age, and a little information about what it means to repair.


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#9 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:56:47 AM(UTC)
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A little disappointed in values I guess. I was hoping this one would have a little more worth even though it does need work.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2009 7:48:42 AM(UTC)
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condition is everything with rugs. I would like to see more photos of the mohajeran sarouk with the dark blue field and vase at the bottom. It looked like a 4x7 or so. Does that rug have wear and can you show similar photographs to the one above? if what I thought was wear is abrash that could be the most valuable rug of your lot
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:50:38 PM(UTC)
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I will try to get pictures of the Mohajeran Sarouk tomorrow.
I have been out of town so I did not see this message until today.

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