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#1 Posted : Saturday, April 11, 2009 7:29:33 PM(UTC)
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RugPro, I read the fine article on this site on the varying worth of Qum rugs. Having read that I have the opportunity, and I believe very rare opportunity, to buy a very, very nice Qum 4X6. A series of events came together to allow me to get rugs I normally couldn't afford to be affordable.

Question, a good quality 4X6 silk Qum rug is worth what? It is my perception that this is an opportunity I can't pass up, but that might only be my perception. I know I will purchasing one rug of a different type, but I'm not sure if I should streach for two. When you mention worth please assume a very high knot count and flawless rugs.

I'm don't know if I'm just a rug aholic or this is also a good investment for the future. I have flipped some rugs so that I don't go too far in the hole.

The first picture isn't the Qum, but another silk 25"X32" interesting rug, that might be another option instead of the Qum

Thank you

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#2 Posted : Saturday, April 11, 2009 8:04:54 PM(UTC)
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it's awesome you love rugs. I hope selling is going okay.

The first one titled miamirtreeanimal.jpg is a qum rug from Iran. That I'm almost certain about. That rug figure around 1k for retail if it is what I think it is. Private party a fraction. it's got a woven kilim and typical colors of around a 1970's vintage probably good KPSI

The second one with more photographs I am almost 100% certain is a Kashmir Indian rug. again, we need to see the minimum photographs, but I am almost certain it is from India
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#3 Posted : Saturday, April 11, 2009 8:21:25 PM(UTC)
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RugPro you are a life saver, well at least a wallet saver. In my zeal it's nice to get a much clearer perspective. If I could ask about one more. It is a 10 by 7 and the question is if it is silk. But again thanks for your perspective. I have bought some nice rugs and some dogs when I get too carried away in the moment.

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#4 Posted : Saturday, April 11, 2009 8:44:20 PM(UTC)
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this one is probably newer. maybe 1990's or newer. it appears to be a qum, but with so many knock offs from china I would feel more comfortable looking at the edges and fringe before saying for sure, but chances are from what i see it is a qum, and it probably is silk. If the rug has any signs of use, value is going to be low, what are they asking for it? Can they confirm the rug lays 100% flat? the way the pile ripples a bit could mean there may be some uneven tension
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#5 Posted : Saturday, April 11, 2009 9:59:50 PM(UTC)
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If you don't mind, some more It's a long story, and not just one of those internet story, but from all factors I think this individual has some quality rugs. If you would look at this last one these to see if Im right it would tell me alot. I know I don't have the crucial back side, but again I'm just looking to see if they look like quality. The last one of the man and women is wool.
Again, thank you very much. This one has me scratching my head, and up at night. I want to take advantage of a speical opportunity,but I don't want to be taken advantage of.
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#6 Posted : Saturday, April 11, 2009 10:25:15 PM(UTC)
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btuma6 wrote:
Price is undetemined at this point, but for a 10X7 I would think up to $2,000 would still be a bargain?
Again, thank you very much. This one has me scratching my head, and up at night.


lol, no prob. I don't mind answering the questions

all else equal regarding condition, origin, etc. up to 2k would seem to be a good bargain for the one that is noted 7x10 with around 400+ kpsi. It always helps to see some completed listings.

The last ones posted would you mind entering each to it's own thread? sorry to have to ask, i just dont want to mix things up by accident.

Also please also know these images are way less than they outline for me to comment on, so this is not necessarily going to ensure the best online evaluation. after this round, we really need more pictures or i will have to remove future posts that do not have at least number 1 thru 4 of the basic photos I want to give you the info i can, but in some ways without the proper images it may be misleading, y'know? perhaps you have a link to the auctions or you could ask the seller to have the rug verified?
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#7 Posted : Sunday, April 12, 2009 1:48:00 PM(UTC)
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RugPro there is a reason I wasn't very specific. The above 10X7 qum went for $300. Unfortuneately, I had a computer cliche and I wasn't able to bid. At that price I didn't want too much info out, and then I lost it anyway. The person selling is a wealthy designed from Miami Beach. That isn't a story I was told, it is a story I know. She had a group of Qum from the same Iranian cliente she used to work with. I was looking for a general comment to see if this look like a quality group of rugs. Like said it was a rare, rare opportunity that I let get by.
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that would have been an absolute steal. unbelievable.
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#9 Posted : Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:51:53 PM(UTC)
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RugPro there is a reason I wasn't very specific. The above 10X7 qum went for $300. Unfortuneately, I had a computer cliche and I wasn't able to bid. At that price I didn't want too much info out,>>>>

Wouldn't it be nice if we had a community here where we could rely on each other not to go behind each other's backs and bid on stuff we talk about in the "Lab" here? Well, you can count on me. I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror if I rulled that kind of stunt.
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#10 Posted : Sunday, April 12, 2009 3:51:21 PM(UTC)
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Lol, I have to say I don't disagree with Krow. I saw the eBay watermark.

I do want to help Btuma, but if you want private professional consultation e-mail info@rugrag.com. dave has a program for it. The forum has to remain a place for public and forthcoming questions and comments. That's the concept behind what these guys created the site for, that's the concept they want people to benefit from. Outside of that, I really can't respond to this kind of stuff. It really should be under "eBay authentication". This thread is for rugs people currently in possession
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Lol, I have to say I don't disagree with Krow.>>>

Of course not, and who would? Krow speaks at all times and all circumstances from a perfect place of impeccable wisdom and omnipotence.Liar
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#12 Posted : Sunday, April 12, 2009 4:02:25 PM(UTC)
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haha i love that smiley.

not trying to gang up on you btuma, but it's not fair to others trying to benefit from understanding qum rugs, kashmir rugs, etc. to have less than adequate information or points of reference. plus, it's putting me at a severe disadvantage to evaluate by selecting what info you think is or is not relevant to my response.

You could have saved me a lot of time by just saying something like "the rug is at $xx, is this worth the risk of jumping in ?" Who cares about some ripples/uneven tension in a silk qum going for $300?!? Not talking
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#13 Posted : Sunday, April 12, 2009 5:43:08 PM(UTC)
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RugPro, I seriously had no idea this rug would go for $300. that is why I mentioned $2,000. That is the figure I was concerned with which ripples woudl matterand that is the max I was going to spend. My intent was to get some information, but also to ask a questiion which would be helpful to the forum. I had been told that the Qum was the one rug that was actually increasing in price
I won't post such an item again, but also in my defense, if there need to be a defense I earlier had sent a message to you by the email emblem as the bottom of each post.
Does that work? I know it only allows for several words
Also I had no problem thinking that someone who posts here would run to grab the rug. My concern was the number of "viewers" which really are the core of the forum, and that one by chance might see something and run.
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#14 Posted : Sunday, April 12, 2009 6:49:51 PM(UTC)
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btuma6 wrote:
RugPro, I seriously had no idea this rug would go for $300. that is why I mentioned $2,000.


It would be easier for everyone if the cards are just laid out on the table. You are right, you cannot predict the final price, but there are times where you can see bidding activity trends. This auction would have been a prime example. In general, if information is omitted, or presented in an indirect manner, it means that I am working on less than perfect info. If you don't feel comfortable with posting direct, straightforward information publicly (and I can understand) on the forum, ask for private, confidential review from info@rugrag.com. This is their business
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