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#1 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 8:14:09 PM(UTC)
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I'm very glad to find this interesting forum Dancing .

I have this antique rug, but I can't to identify, rare design, I think it's turkman rug Beshir or nomads uzbek, kirghiz rug. Age - late 19th to early 20th century, dyes is natural.

Distinguished public, what are you think about this rug?

Best Regards, uzrugs
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, March 31, 2009 5:26:00 AM(UTC)
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Hello and welcome to the forum!

seems like a very unusual piece here. I don't know too much about this type. it does look older, design is very interesting. it almost reminds me of some of the varamin designs. How bad is the edge loss under the binding tape?

maybe Nathan has some ideas :)
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:52:49 AM(UTC)
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Looks like an Afghan Baluch. (Note the weft-float design on the flat woven end.) The field design is really cool - sort of a takeoff of one of the Turkmen gul designs, but converted into a floral form (a la Veramin rugs). The lattice work is done diagonally, unlike Tekke Turkmen lattice which is not. Very interesting, and I can see why one might think central Asia. Too bad the perimeter has been lost?

NK
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#4 Posted : Thursday, April 2, 2009 2:53:30 AM(UTC)
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Thank you RugPro and Nathan K.
RugPro wrote:
How bad is the edge loss under the binding tape?

you may see the photos, pile is good, not damaged, only brown flatwoven binding tape in bad condition. The edges was 1".

Nathan K. wrote:
Too bad the perimeter has been lost?

Edges was lost, but not pile, please see images near.










Nathan K. wrote:
Looks like an Afghan Baluch. (Note the weft-float design on the flat woven end.) The field design is really cool - sort of a takeoff of one of the Turkmen gul designs, but converted into a floral form (a la Veramin rugs). The lattice work is done diagonally, unlike Tekke Turkmen lattice which is not. Very interesting, and I can see why one might think central Asia.


But I think though is Central Asian rug, please see photos and links below, similar gul design.





more about this rugs Middle Amu Darya rug, Turkestan Amu Darya it's a river in Uzbekistan.
Beshir chuval face, BUKHARA EMIRATE, late 19th ct

May I use this links on this forum, it's not commercial sait?

P.S. Sorry for my english, I just started learning language.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, April 2, 2009 5:07:59 AM(UTC)
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The Beshir chuval above does have a similar design. I'm fairly certain that your rug is a reproduction/variation of that design, made in Afghanistan (and I believe that some of the Afghan refugees are Turkmen?). If it showed up for washing, I would write it up as a Baluch w/Turkmen design...

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#6 Posted : Thursday, April 2, 2009 6:52:21 AM(UTC)
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Nathan K. wrote:
The Beshir chuval above does have a similar design. I'm fairly certain that your rug is a reproduction/variation of that design, made in Afghanistan (and I believe that some of the Afghan refugees are Turkmen?). If it showed up for washing, I would write it up as a Baluch w/Turkmen design...

NK


I have else one rug with similar dyed colors and knots, also please see yelow border same with my first rug in this topic. I'm identified how Kirghiz rug and I bought this rug on border with Kirghiz country.

I found interesting Kirghiz rug with similar dyed and knots on this link Kirghiz rug
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#7 Posted : Friday, April 3, 2009 4:32:18 AM(UTC)
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I think you may be right. The colors just aren't "normal" Baluch colors - they're more loud, bold colors like we see in Georgian rugs (former USSR state). As a cleaner, I wonder how stable the dyes are? Regardless, you have some very cool, unique rugs. Enjoy!
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#8 Posted : Friday, April 3, 2009 5:38:56 AM(UTC)
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Nathan K. wrote:
I think you may be right. The colors just aren't "normal" Baluch colors - they're more loud, bold colors like we see in Georgian rugs (former USSR state). As a cleaner, I wonder how stable the dyes are? Regardless, you have some very cool, unique rugs. Enjoy!


Anyway many thanks Nathan K.!
Many antique kirghiz rugs have bad red dyes, it's red natural dyed, but have not good fixing, therefore there are some a small color run places on the back. The yellow, blue, brown, green colors is always good on antique rirghiz rugs. My first rug don't have color run places.

Nathan K., how are you think, that will be price for restoration edges on first rug, size without edges is 62" x 42"? I think it's not expensive.

Best Regards, uzrugs.
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#9 Posted : Friday, April 3, 2009 9:37:59 AM(UTC)
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Foundation repair prices here in the USA are unbelievably high. If you are in central Asia, or in/near any area where rugs are made, the cost of repair will be much lower. Here in the USA, reinserting new warps and wefts around the entire perimeter might cost more than the value of a small rug. The same work done in Turkey or elsewhere where rugs are made, might be less than $100 if the repair person is hungry for work...
As an example, I just had a beautiful Talish mat (.75 m x 1.5 m) sides and ends completely rebuilt (it had lost about 2-3 cm of each side & end), with about 40 cm2 repiled, and MY cost (wholesale) was $650...
Where are you located? Can I sleep on your sofa if I visit your country? :)

NK
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#10 Posted : Friday, April 3, 2009 11:34:55 AM(UTC)
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Nathan K. wrote:
Foundation repair prices here in the USA are unbelievably high. If you are in central Asia, or in/near any area where rugs are made, the cost of repair will be much lower. Here in the USA, reinserting new warps and wefts around the entire perimeter might cost more than the value of a small rug. The same work done in Turkey or elsewhere where rugs are made, might be less than $100 if the repair person is hungry for work...
As an example, I just had a beautiful Talish mat (.75 m x 1.5 m) sides and ends completely rebuilt (it had lost about 2-3 cm of each side & end), with about 40 cm2 repiled, and MY cost (wholesale) was $650...
Where are you located? Can I sleep on your sofa if I visit your country? :)

NK


I know that restoration is expensive, but me needed repair only edges without pile, it's not so hard work. I want to selling this rugs on eBay and now I think about start price.

I located in Uzbekistan in Tashkent city. I will glad to see you in Tashkent, you may sleep on my sofa or you may stay in hotel, I will help you. :)
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