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Condition of rug, is this oxidation abnormal
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#1 Posted : Sunday, March 8, 2009 8:17:44 AM(UTC)
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The label states a silk/cotton turkmen, but the rug flip show a terrible loss of color. Is this normal or is it a sign of bad dye or just the product of an old rug? Since it is silk I imagine some could be the picture's reflection.

Might be a dumb question, but sometimes is this dimmed look desireable for the antique look? I know they tea dye rugs for an effect.
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#2 Posted : Sunday, March 8, 2009 12:04:34 PM(UTC)
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Interesting, I would have thought China or India for this piece before anything else although the selvages appear to have a double cord warp wrap.

The color difference is drastic. Some consumers would not pass this for anything more than just what it is: a color difference between the front or back. dyes probably play a large role in this, although general oxidation, subject to a lot of light as you mentioned could be a possibility. I don't know about a tea wash for this, although that's not out of the question.

as for the subtle look, it is desirable as long as it is not from dirt, and is very even. If some areas look more affected than others, that would be a problem. Also, some chemicals used may dry up the pile material and make is susceptible to premature wear and loss of pile. Not often the case, but something to keep in mind if it's a harsh acid bath.

For this rug, it would help a lot to see the pile parted like here in the first pic: http://www.rugrag.com/po...g-Moth-Infestation.aspx

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#3 Posted : Sunday, March 8, 2009 3:34:36 PM(UTC)
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Worth of the rug? It's a 4x6 forf $250. Is this a rug, being silk and cotton and old looking that could easily be sold for $800? I have found the two rugs that I plan to buy that are high quality silk taht will be on the wall for years, adore. It would be nice to find one more diamond in the rough to finance these two.

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I'd have to see better pics to determine what it is and see how deep the tinting goes. some people may like the color difference, but some will see this as a seconds good. I think $250 sounds good from what I see and if the pile is real silk, but I can't see too much from these pics. If the rug is dirty, that's something to consider.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:13:37 AM(UTC)
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It's a color loss situation; either photo (UV/sun) fading or a chemical wash. I'd guesstimate that 99% of all rugs made today get a chemical wash of some sort. Chem washes are usually sodium hydroxide (lye) or sodium hypochlorite (bleach), but many other chems are used as well, I'm sure - depends on the washing facility & desired look. Lye generally strips the red color (first), and bleach strips the blues (first). Chem treatments are either metered into giant tumble washers/rinsers at high-tech facilities, or applied with a watering can with just a few seconds dwell time at low-tech shops. It takes experience to know how long to let these aggressive chems dwell, and like anything else, there is a learning curve... Use the color loss like this as a negotiating tool if dealing with the seller one-on-one. I always advise my customers not to look at rug purchases as an investment, but at these prices, have fun!
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:20:50 AM(UTC)
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Thank you that is very helpful and adds clarity. The red is the most impacted color. I've taken the rug to very reputiable Persian rug cleaner and I'm interested, as are they, to see how much color will be brought back. It is definately a silk on cotton foundation, and fits the certification. I will leave another picture once it is cleaned. Again thank you.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:21:34 AM(UTC)
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btuma6 wrote:
The label states a silk/cotton turkmen
- a lot of deception in the sale of carpets in Turkey.

This chinese carpet, lay all the summer in the sun (would make him older, but did not work)
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