Hi there! Help. I wish I had a picture! AAHHH!!

Rug is 8' x 10.5'... could be Quam from what I've read. Only thing on it is an old label as old as the rug itself perhaps (ivory canvas 2 inch + x 3/4 inch) appears stalped with number 3084 printed twice on same label but does not go through other side. Beautiful blue pastel field with several broken red, green, blue curvilinear floral borders? I think broken is what it's called. Edge matches blue pastel field and varies from 1-2 inches before all 3 - 4 curvilinear broken detailed borders surround entire rug with all over detail - does repeat - not sure of terms - sorry!

At center, is a maybe 3 foot diamond elongated shape that is sectioned off and blends into 3 distinct diamonds to form it. In middle is one inch electric blue blossom surrounded with red blooms with tan triangle edged in brown at "top" and then tan semi-circle with brown edging at"bottom" all surrounded with 7 blue scallops to form diamond, 2 of which at ends are hearts?; then 2 more of the 3 patterns at ends appear as amalgam of club and spade of cards in electric blue with so much of same detail but distinct red 2 inch blossoms that form almost complete circle.

There is lots of blue with rich eye popping (almost electric) tropical blue uneven, round, floral, runny accent around rug's green, red, blue vines etc.;
a green and sometimes blue stylized vine that rises up on long sides into 2 arches (larger than semicircle) with 2 "heart" shapes that have little arched pointed domes that widen with 9 ivory dandelion stylized blooms over top of "heart" about 7 inches wide rather than actual heart shape;
at width edges there are 2 semicircles and one of the stylized "hearts" with arched pointed dome at midway of border same as described already.


Some pink poppy-like are here and there. Has rich green fills here and there with 7 rich "cobalt" blue floral-like designs that form scallops around red diamond shaped designs in corners. Does # 3084 mean anything? Thin, hangs like a bath towel when picked up, tight weave and short 1/4 to 3/4 fringe- a little worn and has rounded overcast sides.

Any idea how to find out about it; I don't have much money? When granny passed it on she said, "This is the most expensive thing in the house!" She had massive collections of majolica, crystal, several 12 place settings of ultra-fine china etc.


Thanks, :-) nannab

My rug has 14 colors: browns, greens, reds, and blues. Is double knotted with several ply. Tell us anything of origin or style? Floral , lots medalions, diamond scallops, vines, curvilinear, 4 broken borders.

nannab :-)

Hey,

Give me something good !!

Tanks,

Nannab :-)

Attached pictures to previous post and am resending. Rug is 10'5" long, 8' 1/2" at one end, 7' 9" at other. Pictures include; 1 (end of rug back folded over front), 2 (close up of back), 3 (poor picture of side edge), 5 (poor picture of end edge), 9b (quarter on front near center medalion), 10 (front from wider end), 12 (front from narrower end), 18 (Closeup of back with quarter and yardstick that my husband stuck in), 19 (same as 18 in different location trying to show knot count). My husband tells me he saw a lot of kirmans online with broken borders.




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Dear RugPro:

Do want to sell the carpet, need value, and best place to get highest price.

I am attaching two more pictures, with desription to follow on edit.

Want to sell as is how much does fringe detract.

This carpet appears to have some low relief sculpting, but it is not consistent across the carpet. Perhaps this is the wear you mention or perhaps it is the mark of more than one person working on the rug. Is this type of sculpting common? Also, when I pinch the carpet to see between the rows, it still has good depth and is very tight. The carpet is 3/16" thick and it is nowhere near showing any of the warp or weft from the face. Can you be specific about the wear you observed and how you would grade the carpet. Is this wool on cotton foundation or what, and what type of wool is most common in these Kermans?

Tanks,

nannab :-)

Could it be textured? Is there such a Persion rug?

nannab

Hey RugPro,

Thanks for all the work. Yes, you could send snaps of areas - greatly appreciate it. Painting will not be good will it?

I do see different signs of wear the more I look - besides the fringe.

I read about how to determine ply; my husband and I disagree on what ply is. I read - watched video about it being seen on the underside and how many layers of knots there are and it even said to use large needle to lift to determine layers of knots piled onto one another?. Does double knot simply mean 2 ply? Could you tell from our photos?

Our shots were not close in enough - huh?

Thx,
nannab Anxious

Wow this is some interesting thread!!!!! Started by very smart, educated, pro-active and focused human!

I knit. well not now cause no time, but I did starting in high school. Wool is treated & loomed in different ways, worsted, not worsted, sometimes combination of more than one kind of wool, silk, and sometimes various man made materials for various purposes.....and the end product can comprise different plys.

A timely example might be, President Obama has chosen a domestic, long established men's clothing company, Hartmarx, to make all his suits. His basic model, custom to his measurements & style detail preferences, of course, is made of fabric that is mostly worsted with no silk content but some cashmere. In politics, you gotta have a little GOAT. lol Each costs around $1,500. The antidote for say, custom Italian suits....and also those custom made on Saville Row.

All ply means, is how many strands of wool (or any other material) comprise one strand? Single, double, triple....and how are they merged-twisted into one strand. This is not unlike metal cable. Some comprise many narrow strands, some fewer, and their tensile strength, pliability, etc., depends on all of that....not simply the final diameter. In wool or pseudo wool all this also impacts durability, resiliency and what people now call "the hand".....the FEEL OF THE WOOL TO THE HUMAN HAND.

The source of the wool, composition and the ply also impact how wool accepts and RETAINS dye....then, there are a gaizllion kinds of dye I have learned here, including one later found to Be toxic IN POTENTIAL: analine. Acuity of attention in just the dying process also impacts.

Not all painting of rugs is bad. Most famous example: the evolution of an entire genre made in Persia for the American market known as "American" sarouks. This evolved in the 20s carried thru to the 30s and ended with The Big War. When makers of these rugs in Persia exported them in large quantities to America, largely to a large New York Rug importer, they were initially a colossal failure! It was discovered the pale and often tepid pink field colors marking these rugs was the issue. A now famous and brilliant solution...one requiring the infinite time and patience of many American artisans was found: With small brushes and, again, infinite patience, the fields of these rugs were transformed into deeper, richer reds......daunting given this had to be done around each and every margin of each and every field detail!!!

The net result---two fine example of which I was raised with....metamorphosed a commercial disaster into a wild success. Also. this process did not negatively impact the rugs or lead to color run! The latter, I had no idea existed until I found & joined this site.

This is hardly the same as someone using "paint" to disguise-obfuscate some flaw in a given carpet which more properly should be repaired.

I hope everyone has not fallen asleep.

Hi nannab,

Jilly is fun, I think the Sarouks she was referring to is information she's picked up here and there. There are some things in there I'm not sure I agree with 100%, and exceptions to some statements.

Your the rug appears to be a semi-antique Kerman. design, colors, floral sprays, among everything else, construction, weave and general structure indicate this.