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#1 Posted : Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:26:12 AM(UTC)
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Hello again. After the recent advice on my previous rug (machine made) I thought I would ask you for your views on my new rug.
I basically got my money back, then went to a more reputable dealer, along with my Interpreter who used to work with rugs a lot in Kabul (and also with the advice on this website!). The rug is made in Afghanistan, and is made of Afghani wool. It is approximately 200 KPSI, and 3m by 2m. The knots are 3 ply and some look 4 ply. The pattern is apparently an old Afghan style. It is in excellent condition.
Any comments onto the accuracy of what I’ve said would be greatly appreciated. Also any idea of a value, though I doubt I’ll be selling it, it’s more for keeping, in the dining room.
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#2 Posted : Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:51:03 AM(UTC)
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http://tea-and-carpets.b...urkmen-rug-belt-its.html

You might want to look at this article for some information on the rug trade in Afghanistan. One can never have too much, information or rugs.
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#3 Posted : Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:01:48 PM(UTC)
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Glad to hear things got sorted out with that machine made piece. That was also a good article posted krow.

This new rug does appear to have 3 ply yarn. How much did you pay on this piece?
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#4 Posted : Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:15:16 PM(UTC)
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I paid $1300.
All the photos have uploaded now, they take a long time at the minute.
Do you know the style/ pattern of this rug? My friend (from a village outside Kabul) seems to think it is an old Afghan pattern?
Thanks for the link above, very useful and interesting.
Cheers, Tim
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#5 Posted : Sunday, February 15, 2009 1:22:26 PM(UTC)
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The quality of this rug is reminiscent of newer Ersari pieces that were coming from Afghanistan in the last 25 years. As for the design, it is definitely what would be considered as a panel design rig. Unfortunately from the photographs give, I cannot seem to identify which designs are represented within the individual panels.

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#6 Posted : Monday, February 16, 2009 11:08:25 PM(UTC)
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RugPro please find attached some close pictures of the patterns. Sorry about the quality, the photo's don't seem to do the rug justice (and taking photo's with the flash seems worse).
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, February 17, 2009 8:13:50 AM(UTC)
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really interesting. i dont think ive come across anything too similar. each panel appears to have a dividing vertical column with similar colored animal figures inside mirrored designs with different colors. my best guess would be each panel carries the depiction of male and female animals. Interesting piece. not too familiar with this type of rug/market but it's pretty neat looking. looks like a sturdy rug.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:16:26 AM(UTC)
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Yes it is a sturdy rug, the guys say it will last for generations of my family. They are from different villages around Kabul and say that they don’t often see this design there any more, it’s a really old pattern. The animal depiction rings true as one of my friends had said some of the designs were male/ female mirror images. It’s definitely wool/ wool, I don’t know if it is hand spun wool or not. The guys also say it is vegetable dye, but I don’t know how to tell.

RugPro, on the rug generator would this rug class as tribal design? Also would you have an idea on what to insure this rug for?

Thanks, Tim
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This is what I came up with on the rug estimator pro below - sizes are rough. I don't like meters! The fringe appeared to be cotton, but it wouldn't make too much of a difference with newer rugs from a value standpoint. it's a good tool, but they really developed it with the intention of educational purposes so people know there's more to a rug than the misconception that KPSI means everything. doesn't do anything to incorporate design and color, or that special retirement rug that almost every dealer has with an astronomical price. the co-founder dave told me some 10000 rugs were used to program the tool including inventory from ORRA members, sothebys and christies auctions as well.

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this is what would probably be considered closer to a village or perhaps an informal workshop rug. The tribal setting from is really for much older rugs. as for insurance/replacement, anywhere from 2500-2800 would seem appropriate, although again, I'm not entirely familiar with this type of rug and would need to see it in person. but it does look like a solidly made/dense rug.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:17:54 AM(UTC)
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Cheers again RugPro, I'll be back in the UK in a few weeks (expecting 3rd baby - hopefully rug will be robust enough), so will get insured. Is there a list of reputable experts in the UK?
Also the guys here want to send me the occasional rug for turnaround/ investment so will be looking into import costs. Before I go home there is a very small chance of being able to buy another rug, and I'd seen one I liked. It was made in Karachi. Would a rug from Pakistan be more valuable than from Afghanistan (in general).?
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, February 17, 2009 4:42:36 PM(UTC)
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Well, I think it's fabulous. Perfect harmony, vivid, very individual lifeforce, clear essence & balance. And, re RugPro's input.....also beautifully made. It is FABULOUS.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, February 18, 2009 3:01:36 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Jilly, nice comments.
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