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#1 Posted : Friday, February 6, 2009 1:23:14 PM(UTC)
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hi.

I am now terrified of low kpsi. Apparently now willing to sacrifice luving what a rug looks like a LITTLE to get halfway decent kpsi. Plus, I REFUSE to get a rug with color run. I simply will NOT.

I just found this: http://rover.ebay.com/ro...9&mtid=824&kw=lg &fromMakeTrack=true

I just sent this:
Dear fantasyrugs,

Hi,

Can U pls tell me:
1) What percentage of original pile remains?
2) Is the pile wear consistent?
3) Has this Sarough been treated re tea or any other wash?
4) Is there any color tun?
5) Are the kpsi you list accurate?

Thanks so much,
Jill
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PS: this is not exciting rug; I find the field color Less Than. Low personality, also a little muddy. But I no longer care, OK? If it is really kork wool, if it is not treated like tea washed, if the pile wear is not terrible and it is consistent; it the kpsi are as listed....I might get it. Cause I am discouraged and my trust has been shaken and I now know some stuff and I am tired. For 2K or under....you gotta make SACRIFICES.
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OMG, just saw their "retail" assessment: Est. Retail Value: $ 24496
Is typo, right? hahahahah Or Alice in Arakland. (Sarouk don go with Alice, sorry.)
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#2 Posted : Friday, February 6, 2009 5:15:56 PM(UTC)
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Update;

Just found this reply:

Dear ariesjill,

Dear ebayer,

Thank you for your email and your interest in our large selection of fine rugs. This rug that you are inquiring about is certainly one of our highest quality.

Re: http://rover.ebay.com/ro...9&mtid=824&kw=lg

This rug is so fine that its holding in excellent condition, and that is typical because its made of the finest threads - 100% kork - its pile has not lost its touch. This is classified in excellent condition, there is no pile low on this rug. There is not anything on this rug other than 100% kork and these weavers are professional when dyeing the colors to be used. This being a Sarough are typically red and navy blue tones and floral. There is no color run on this rug, it just does not happen with kork and a rug they choose to make knowing that this rug is going to be exquisite, unique, one-of-a-kind. The kpsi is 200 which that is a very good tight knotting to this and will make this rug last a lifetime. Makes a nice heirloom.

If there is any other questions, please do not hesitate to contact us again.

All the best,
Mari
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Edit:

Another REAL possibility form same vendor;
OK, another......and this one I even LIKE tho it has the giant bias tape. Life is sometimes mitigating unrealistic expectations:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/e...IT&item=140243132254

When I first came upon a rug with the giant bias tape and posted it, someone posted this is a marker for newer rugs made in Iran. But since, in my manic search, I have seen indo rugs with the same thing. I find it an abrogation of the classic tenets of hand knotted rugs......but I have lowered my standards and trying to keep an open mind.

Big enough, not ideal, but big enough. A Sarouk. Is is this gorgeous like the Heriz I like? No. But I asked the VENDOR OF THAT RUG about it and they have not replied. Nobody knows the reality of that rug, OK? The real colors, the real condition, if it has color run.....and it has V low kpsi. No way NOW.....will I take a chance on it, end up with it at maybe 1K and end up with garbage and n shock for 24 hours and probably more than 24.

Assuming their listing is accurate in specifics (not suggested retail, obviously), is this rug worth what they are asking for it?

Do we trust this vendor? Yes, right? I feel now, I will get a rug form these people. Unless someone with a brain tells me why I should not.
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Again, not what's advertised. doubt the 200 kpsi, It shows to have some lesser colors, etc. Probably not Kork wool - that's a very fine wool. Perhaps it is, if they are confident in what they have, ask them to send a detailed photograph of numbers 4,5,&6 from the photographs shown here
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#4 Posted : Friday, February 6, 2009 8:22:32 PM(UTC)
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This rug is so fine

"He's so fine, wish he were mine,
that handsome rug over there, the one with the wavy hair,
I don't know how I'm gonna do it,
but I'm gonna make him mine....."
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I am so happy to see U back! I mEDDLED with the above between clients, DELETED ONE RUG.....and Not sure if U saw I am down to two rugs. I luv that link! But note: NEEDS TO BE UPDATED TO MORE THAN 3Mps!!! Shold now be at least 8. I will follow up. I can not get used to people would say all that and be lying, the kork, the kpsi......I mean how could they stay in business?????? How could they sleep at night?

Pro.....I like the smaller Sarouk with the better colors. I no longer expect luv....like is good enough, decent QUALITY and like and no color run .
and made by primates with OPPOSABLE THUMBS

Is that so WRONG?? haha.
Edit: Re the second rug with the navy field border.....the one with the better colors: can we tell from the image of the underside with the ruler if the knsi are, in fact close to 200? I read U wrote, a quarter is just under an inch. So isn't it better with an actual ruler?
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Bonn wrote:
This rug is so fine

"He's so fine, wish he were mine,
that handsome rug over there, the one with the wavy hair,
I don't know how I'm gonna do it,
but I'm gonna make him mine....."



Doo Ramm, Doo Ramm, doo ramm. OMG, it's now a rug asylum wit a girl group soundtrack!!!!!
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HOLD IT! I sand corrected and must change my membership in the R&R Hall of Fame to The R&R Hall of SHAME. It's Do LANG, not Do RAMM. My apologies to The Chiffons.

He's so fine
(Do-lang-do-lang-do-lang)
Wish he were mine
(Do-lang-do-lang-do-lang)
That handsome boy overthere
(Do-lang-do-lang-do-lang)
The one with the wavy hair
(Do-lang-do-lang-do-lang)
I don't know how I'm gonna do it
(Do-lang-do-lang-do-lang)
But I'm gonna make him mine
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OK now.....re kpsis, here is what I did: I blew their image of the underside up to 200%. then, using a piece of paper agAINST my LCD, i marked their "inch." THEN, using this measure and starting at the top of their rule, I used my new measure and marked the top & bottom re the wefts.....meaning, an inch in real measure not blown up, starting at the top of their tape. Are we following this???

OK, then I counted. I get 13 x 13. If that is right....and SOMEONE ELSE PLS COUNT!!!!!... then we end up with169 kpsi. Is that right? I will now upload the blown up and marked image. And if 169 is right, trust me, I am going to call them on that and say my trust has been shaken and it might cost them a sale cause I am no longer as dumb as I look, OK?

I think we have good enough visual re the underside to determine this part ourselves if we get creative OK? And getting creative is wut I do. The Kork part, I will ask for a high res closeup of the pile, as per that number in that excellent thingy, and then make them get a Bible and send the video of them swearing. Or get whatevah book they believe in.

This Sarouk....and i like it as much as I am going to like anything not over 2K....is new. I think pile wear is moot in this one. the more relevant and pointed the questions and requests, the more I will find out for real.

Tell me, if I end up in The Padded Room......will My Rug be there?
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Just for the hell of it, I blew it Up another 50% It shoUld be below what i just uploaded. THE LOWER ONE one will be 250%. Make it easier for someone who knows stuff to COUNT. I need a Professional Counter.
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Pls bear with me; I am extremely tired. THIS is the Sarouk I now want, same vendor but nicer colors and navy field in the borders: http://rover.ebay.com/ro...9&mtid=824&kw=lg

I will now do the new Jilly, blow it up and mark it & count the kpsi thingy with this one.....but bet it's the same as the one above.

oK cause of their image of the underside of the one I want....I could only blow it up to 150%. I count 12 X 15. I put dots at the top cause the actual inch ends right at the top of the image in this one. I was wrong, it is ot the same as the above rug.

If this counting is right......this one is 180 KPSI. IS THIS RIGHT?

And....it looks like KORK TO ME, OK? but I need to put a cork in it, nobody has to say it. Only reason I am sayin that is cause I see sheen on the knots. But it could be the crystal meth. hahahahahahah Something called KORk, I feel intutively....has SHEEN.

OK, maybe not sheen exactly, but does it not look like very fine wool?

Jilly attached the following image(s):
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Before I fall out.....

I just sent this:
Dear fantasyrugs,

Hi, agiain,

Now THIS is the Sarouk I am drawn to.

1) first, i count 180 KPSI on this one, not 200.
2) Is there any wear at all?
3) Do you guarantee it was made in Iran and not India?
4) Would it be possible to transmit and high resolution extreme closeup of the pile from the top?

I appreciate your time and help on this,
Jill
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I think I am getting this rug even if is made of Bounty paper towels by lizards in Florida. Because I am very tired of this, OK? and if I undercounted the kpsi, tant pis. I felt like accusing them of something so they know I am a contender and they can ot get OVAH ON ME.
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HOLD IT! for the first time, i just took a ruler and measured the kpsi on the rug I found in the garbage: 12 X 12 exactly. THE UGLY I FOUND IN The GARBAGE 6 YRS AGO has 144 kpsi!!!!

Now, it is confirmed: no Waaaaay will I get a garbage rug on ebay....including that fab looking Heriz.....that has 100 kpsi!! Forget, with color run!!!! I am struggling along to knowing stuff! I may be worn down to the wefts, but I am making progress!!!!!

Bite me, eBay! I do now believe, ABOVE....is MY RUG!
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Ok WAIT: Am I seeing double knots---I counted those as one-- cause I am sleeepless for days? Are they there? If so, what does that mean??? Can we learn more stuff about this rug from that if they are??
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12x14 is what I counted, that comes to 168.
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RugPro wrote:
12x14 is what I counted, that comes to 168.


Hey!

Interesting. I am new at this counting and can not be trusted. I have now received responses to my last mail to them and from two humans. I have already responded to them and will paste below. I remember, no need to reiterate, yr contempt for the worthless "certificates' not comporting with the carefully arrived at standards of THIS COMMUNITY AS OVERSEEING BODY.

Now that I know four things.....and am pissed and refuse to be victim again, I am going to hold their wefts to the fire until I feel they have earned some trust. Bad part: I want the rug. Good part, I am no longer the clueless rug slut I was few weeks ago.

You will see from one mail.....they are gettin that a little. which is why I challenged them on the knots. Am I disgusted by their disingenuous, patronizing pitch for Sarouks? IS THE POPE GERMAN? But at this point, and I have earned this right here, over time.....nobody should mess wit me.....cause I will run illuminated, condescending nuance on you, if you have bad dye, your colors will start running visibly, and you will not even know it, OK? Most vomit-making part.....they offered to save me $50 and send the worthless certificate. I fele liike hitten them wit a brick. Cause people emrging as untrustworthy HURTS, and anger is a defesnes agaisnt pain. But I don do the hitting stuff. Evah.

Do not make me send Tom Hagen to have someone put the head of that heartbreaking, pathetic leopord rug in yr bed, OK?

Below:
Hello, Arash (thank goodness it's not ABRASH):

You need not pitch Sarouks to me; I was raised with antique "American" Saroughs, each a splendid example of the genre.

If I may again request....unless that is it's too much trouble--some high resolution (macromode would be best) closeup images of the top of the pile in good light so that I might determine the nature of the wool. Tt should take no time, given the realities of digital.

Famous saying, "Trust but verify." Re certificates: such documents are easily generated; we must consider the Bona fides of the verifying bodies. Not to insult you, but we all know the unfortunate reputation of this industry and why it is not held in high esteem, yes?

Thanks in advance,
Jill



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Dear ariesjill,

Dear Jill,
Thank you very much for your interest in our rugs, especially this stunning piece of Persian art. I see that you have an eye for details and I have to say I admire you for that. This is a genuine Persian rug and if purchase the rug, I'd be happy to send you the certificate of authenticity at no extra charge (we normally charge $50 for the certificate). As for the KPSI, I have to say knot density varies throughout a rug. That means, when a rug is made, it's usually woven tighter in the middle and where the intricate designs are, same goes for this rug. Kpsi is up to 200 on this rug. The rug is in excellent condition and there are no wear on it. Sarough rugs are among the finest of Persian rugs and durability is what makes them so special. This is a rug that will last a very long time and you can enjoy it's beauty as well as quality.
Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any other questions or concerns.
Regards,
Arash
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Hi, Mari,

I am pasting what I just sent to your colleague Arash:


Hello, Arash (thank goodness it's not ABRASH):

You need not pitch Sarouks to me; I was raised with antique "American" Saroughs, each a splendid example of the genre.

If I may again request....unless that is it's too much trouble--some high resolution (macromode would be best) closeup images of the top of the pile in good light so that I might determine the nature of the wool. Tt should take no time, given the realities of digital.

Famous saying, "Trust but verify." Re certificates: such documents are easily generated; we must consider the Bona fides of the verifying bodies. Not to insult you, but we all know the unfortunate reputation of this industry and why it is not held in high esteem, yes?

Thanks in advance,
Jill

In a message dated 07-Feb-2009 3:15:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fantasy_rugs@yahoo.com writes:

Greetings to you again

Re: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/e...eName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123

This is lovely. Its design is so clear and clean, its colors so nicely entailing its decoration - it is very lovely. There again, the Sarough is just a fine rug.

The Item Description is sent to us along with the rugs when they are all shipped from Iran. That is who we deal directly with. So with that said, we take their word that all the information they sent us is all facts. The pictures that are shown for the public view is all we got.

If there is any other questions or concerns, please feel free to call our office. Our sales representatives are from Iran themselves and they can surely answer all your questions or concerns you may have. Our phone numbers are 1-866-647-3965 or 1-877-888-8784.

All the best,
Mari
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And takes? Did I, in fact see double knots? Will we, in fact, be ale to deterine the identityof the wool form what I yet again requested? Let us say Pro's counting is correct. Let us say the wool ight be Kork. Would all htat add up to a decent asking price for this rug??????
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Guys,

Sure don mean to second guess the expertise of anyone here,who WOULD??? But I recounted. This time, put white dots on the image re horizontal and vertical, and in he vertical, I still get 15. Pls see this. original image was prolly misleading, as the actual "inch" ends right at the top of their image, I could not put the turquoise dots higher than I did which is why I din put a LINE. Pls see the white dots now. While his Bs kpsi differ in different part of a rug is prolley BS.....I do believe this thing has 180. Compared with 97% of the I NOW know crap on ebay.....is this not at least not terrible? U think, given I now kow the garbage rugs has 144, I deserve LOWER THAN THAT?

Pls note: at the level of enlargement I did, on my LCD, an actual inch translates to 4 3/4". I did this very carefully. The new white dots....OK squares-pixels, are accurate.
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Edit: Now that I have elarned a little and also with painful experience first hand (Poor Mitch, poor Amy).....I conclude the filed color in the long sjots lighter thanin person. i now get the closeups and corner detial shots more accurate depcitins. So, Pro.....assuing the field color is a little less pale than in the longshits.....do you not think this is pretty rug? do you not think the border is esp fabulous?

Please keep in mind bottom line: no way will I be able to afford to replicate MY RUG IN AGE, CONDITION, and BEAUIY. Alas, it is simple. also unequivocal . but it took me a very long time to come to this clearly, cause it has been very PAINFUL.......and giving up on things for me, is very hard. But we gotta work toward objective truth.

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JUST GOT I need to poke dem wit a stick again. "more tightly woven in the middle cause of complexity of design?" BS. this rugs complexity is i its BORDERS. Agian, do not pee on my leg and TELL ME IT IS RAINING!!!!!!! They are trying to dance like Justin Timberlake. Like Usher. o! LIke James BROWN!!!! Give me a BREAK.
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Re the above,last edit, I just sent this below; it's a JOURNEY, and I now refuse to miss any steps to full illumination. U want me to buy the rug? Manifest integrity and class. Character is destiny. The days of dogs and ponies are on the wane.

Hi agian, Arash,

Re this:
As for the KPSI, I have to say knot density varies throughout a rug. That means, when a rug is made, it's usually woven tighter in the middle and where the intricate designs are, same goes for this rug. Kpsi is up to 200 on this rug.

This Sarouk in design, tries to emulate the overall field pattern of the "American" Saouks I grew up with.....tho those, as you know, were painted for the American market. It has no center medallion. Its real complexity is in its borders.

Thanks agian, I need to deal in the good faith I insist on with people with integrity. I look forward to the images of the pile, I truly do!
Jill
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Like Matt, these people are in NC. Think Arash is auditioning to play back court for Duke? Feels like it, right?
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OK it does, in fact have a center medallion, but it is not A significant one.. Again, the real complex is in the borders. I was pissed, OK? For me, not much worse than phonies and opportunists...with zero self esteem and class. Makes me SICK. Earn some RESPECT, for God's sake!
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Edit: Must start evening work. I have googled the below forevah and with no results, and I wanna KNOW:


Forgive this, Arash.....One more, if I may:
re the tape along the underside of the selvedge edges. would this Sarouk maintain its integrity without this? Are the selvedges finished normally under this tape which may be some new thing, but I do not understand the purpose of or need for it. Again, I appreciate yr help; none of these questions are arbitrary; each is most important. Clearly, there is no way I can see this rug in person.

Jill



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Must stop Googling and work. Just found this from RIGHT HERE:

Qurk / Kork Wool: Qurk wool is taken from the neck, belly and underarms of the sheep. This is often considered the most choice of wool to come from the sheep, as it is very fine, thin, and long stapled. Kork wool is most often reserved for only the finest of weavings. Perhaps this type of wool is most commonly found in high KPSI isfahan, nain Oriental Rugs. The appearance of fairly untreated Qurk wool has almost a dull finish, yet very compact, firm and dense feeling pile.

So much for the imagined sheen.
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Old listing.....lovely thing, and I believe this one is Kork; I am trying to find ways of determining Kork from pics. I now think=not possible.
http://washingtondc.crai.../nva/fuo/1024934666.html
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Jilly, these people are idiots. it's extremely rare to find a rug from iran with kork wool if it's under 400 kpsi. PERIOD. Kork wool is not always from lambs. it also comes from the necks underarms and bellies of sheep.

Are all these images from one of the two rugs above?
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RugPro wrote:
Jilly, these people are idiots. it's extremely rare to find a rug from iran with kork wool if it's under 400 kpsi. PERIOD. Kork wool is not always from lambs. it also comes from the necks underarms and bellies of sheep.

Are all these images from one of the two rugs above?


Just saw this.....I am between clients. Pro....I don think they are idiots, I think, alas, they are the usual phonies. Behold the patronizing essence of their mails. The premise is we know nothing, and so they can get away with anything.

OK where was I? Re yr question, the last two blown up undersides I posted are of the rug I want. Including the one with the white dots.

I am now particularly interested in learning about the giant bias tape. I can't learn form Googling, I have tried. Feels to me as if, if the ruge is stable inherently......loomed properly, The selvedge edges should need no FURTHER support. I have seen this thing on both new rugs made in Iran and rugs made in India. it may not be limited to those....but I still have issues with it.

I just mailed the Canada vendor for return instructions re Amy. It's very sad. But all about learning.

Let me now paste a new link to The Rug so there will be no confusion: http://rover.ebay.com/ro...9&mtid=824&kw=lg
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Edit: Just had accountant guy call from Australia. Not Russell Crow. Life is just filled with disappointments these days.lol Now, let us assume the Kork is a Krock. Just hypothetically, OK? Given that, is this rug worth what they are asking? I think it is very attractive rug. I mean it. I esp like the borders which are also well balanced by the field.

I know it's commercial.....but if you have followed---and I know it's exhausting, it sure is for me, boy--- my increasingly informed and distilled Rug Hunt......U will now get I now know my real options and protractions. Given those......what do you think of this RUG????? I LIKE IT. Is what they are asking high?
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Heads Up (I just logged off eveing work early):

They are, in fact, still making Kork rugs in Iran. This from 05. My take is, they could be around 200 kpsi and not necessarily finer. This is a far more commercial business than once, remember! Pls see what Google just Brought:

http://www.jozan.net/2005/Isfahan-rugs.asp

Now, I must find out if they use Kork in Markazi .....the province the vendor says this rug was made in.
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Edit: I already just learned that in this province....along with whatever else they make, they make machine loomed, neo classic persian rugs of poly. Nice. We can see clearly, the sarouk is hand knotted.....and, admit, it, with decent KPSI.

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Edit 2: Ferahan.......is IN THIS PROVENCE.
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Edit 3: http://www.iran-daily.co...87/3123/html/iranica.htm It's all about Arak....has been for centuries.
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Edit 4: (I need sleep very badly) I just did a creative Jilly; I went onto Rugman site and send this message:

Hi, Do you have any newly made in Iran Sarouks made of Kork wool? Around 8 X 11? With good kpsi?

Thanks much,
Jill

Final step I can try: find email an actual Iranian rug company same question.

This is now like torture a little.
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Edit 5: I came upon this well done, classy appearing side: http://www.minasian.com/contact.html

I just sent this:
Greetings.

Lovely site. Hand knotted with high KPSI. lol If I may take advantage by asking this question: are neo Sarouks being made now in Iran of Kork wool?

Bless you for any data you might provide,
Jill
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Edit 6: (even when COMPLETELY OUTTA GAS, I find the FUNNY, U gotta ADMIT):

http://orientalrugcompany.com/

Hello,

If I may impose with a general question: are neo Sarouks being made now in Iran of Kork wool?

Also....is Karzan single? (Kidding.)

Jill
in Manhattan

THIS is why we need 3 computers and Mach 20 BROADBAND, ok? This...s WHY, OK? And ladies (U awake Bonnie??), if U think George Clooney is cute (he is not) check out Kazan.

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Hold it! (forgive my relentlessness, but I am GOING TO GET A RUG, OK??????? AND, VERY SOON.

I just came upon this.....from Matt, also in N,C but who tells the truth, so far, THE ONLY ONE. http://rover.ebay.com/ro...9&mtid=824&kw=lg

I now get these are common. DON MAKE THEN NOT GOOD, OK? I can Not afford anything liker my rug, accept it; now....I do. And bet, when all the replies are in, we learn, indeedy do, they are made of Kork and that ain no big deal. PLS NOTE, MATT GOT THE KPSI RIGHT!!!!! HE DID NOT ROUND OUT 180 to 200. That......is NO SMALL THING.

Tho what creeps me out is now I relate Kork to The Silence of the LAMBS.

I just sent Matt this:

Dear queensrug,

Matt!

It's Jill again!

Matt.....do you have something like this but more like 7 or 8 X 11????? Maybe with navy borders?

Is this really kork????
Jilly


Note: If he doesn't, bet he will. They all get these from the same place OK? And, having gotten to know him somewhat....I think he is an exception within the snake pit. Bet I could also get a fair deal with him on the rug I will end up with which I hope looks identical to the rug I now want from the other, James Brown wanna be vendor. I wold far rather deal wiht someone who has earned my respect. He....has earned my business. Nobody else so far.

I do believe I am almost there!
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This one has those things yu mentioned. I wouldn't worry too much about them. some say they could be a bad sign, but I've seen them on some of the finest rugs too
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RugPro wrote:
This one has those things yu mentioned. I wouldn't worry too much about them. some say they could be a bad sign, but I've seen them on some of the finest rugs too



First, I am now confused. Can U pls explain what "things" U mean? the things U say it has and I should maybe not worry about them?????

EDIT; I just got,hours after you posted this, you mean the giant bias tapes along the selvedge edes! Yes? OK, I will try to not let them creep me out, and thank you.

Next, Pro.....THIS IS THE PRECISE RUG I AM wanting NOW!!!!! THIS is the ONE I have been exhausting myself posting questions about, underside images of, determining the accurate kpsi of, doing the kork research about....sending emails about.

Speaking of the Kork research, one of the places I emailed to learn, basically if they are now using Kork: Rugman. I just found this from him/them.....so my feeling that yes, they do make new sarouks & other neo genres now, out of kork, I think right; I think Kork ain't wut is used to be. I only hope it stands up to normal wear and nobody has to coddle it:

Dear Jill,

Thank you for your interest in our rugs, we have many rugs matching the description you provided for us. I have attached a link to our website which will bring up the rugs in question; there are two pages to look at so please take your time. If you need any more else please feel free to contact us.

Please see below.

http://www.rugman.com/ru...ere%20for%20more%20style

Best regards,

Rugman.com
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Now, to preclude further newly made Sarouk confusion, I will upload an image of The One. Is it neo? Yes, Are the field floral clusters too CLUSTERED & phoned in? Yes. But I think the field color is richer than this image without being blow yr brains out lipstick red; think the borders are special, and overall, I think it works, has good KPSI at 180... and no wear, and may be worth what they are asking.

I see garbage on Rugman, very unlovely for over twice this within newly made Sarouks. He sent me a link and it lead to PATHETIC AND OVERPRICED, and absent anything attractive.

I would not trust that vendor more than I cold throw 5 of him. Not now. not that I know a coupla a things, OK? His new stuff, he don show the underside. His vintage stuff he might but with no coin and no ruler. I will never again take anyone's word for kpsi again. I now must count MYSELF.

Remember the famous line from the Tom Cruise film: SHOW ME THE KPSI!!!!!!!!
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