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#1 Posted : Monday, February 2, 2009 11:57:41 AM(UTC)
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This is, in important ways, merda. Puerile, arbitrary, tepid colors, and overhyped as usual...yadda, yadda. But there is no harm in asking questions; that is how I learn and grow. The KPSI of even a new Sarouk made by small children chained to a wall still something to think about......tho rug very NOT what I was yearning for in a replacement Sarouk, but that is now in the recycle bin; the real world & gathering hard data mitigate many things:

http://rover.ebay.com/ro...9&mtid=824&kw=lg &fromMakeTrack=true
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Dear gallery99,

Hi Out There In Nassau (I am in Manhattan):
Was this rug made in Iran or India? If neither, where?

Thanks,
Jill
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Thanks. Nassau.

Jill

In a message dated 02-Feb-2009 4:25:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, member@ebay.com writes:
Dear ariesjill,

Hey Manhattan.. %100 pure hand knotted Persian rug made in Iran.


- gallery99

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One more if I may, Nassau: I get this is no way kindred to the spectacular, first quarter of 20th c. "American' Sarouks I grew up with, as did my mom; I get this is neo, Less Than field & border detail....but good provenance comes at very high price......but is there any abrash? Has anyone some clue about the dye? Is the wool luminous? Has this puppy been treated? Lustre washed?

Can U send more pics made with a 20MP SLR with: accurate field color; pile breeched; and a quarter on the underside so I can count?
How is the LIE? Still gridlocked?

OK, last part.... ahm playin.

Jill
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Update:
No abrash, %100 vegetable dye, not luminous, not treated or luster washed.

All the best,

S & T International
576A Middle Neck Road
Great Neck, NY 11023
Tel: 516-487-1065
Fax: 516-487-9021
Email: gallery99_c@yaho

- gallery99
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Real luminous owes nothing to treatment. But new Persian rugs I get.....just do not have it. Would rather one did no, than emulated via nefarious means.
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Any and all input on this will be appreciated. It always is; I always take responsibility for my actions, but learning ongoing is my thing.
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#2 Posted : Monday, February 2, 2009 12:34:05 PM(UTC)
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I've seen this seller on ebay. they're one of the most offensive when it comes to accurately describing items. Doesn't mean you shouldn't bid, but as we've talked about before, this often translates into other aspects of doing business.

i doubt natural dye, they call it orange for the color, this is not a "museum" rug as they call it, I sincerely doubt the KPSI is over 200, let alone 250. Lastly, the photographs are not detailed enough to determine origin. They call this a farahan design, but it's actually an american sarouk design with covered field of floral sprays.

What does this mean? It's okay to purchase from a less reputable seller, but make sure everything is spelled out. Not on the phone, but in words on an email regarding return policy and if they refund shipping... make sure that's all in order before purchasing. If you do not like the rug, last thing you want to deal with is sending or driving 75 lbs of wool and cotton back to these guys.

Last thing I want to mention about this seller. A while back I saw suspicious bidding activity. not on just one rug, but multiple rugs over an extended period of time. Shill bidding is out there, and something to protect yourself from. Jilly, Krow's suggestion was good about sniping at the last minute. If you are serious about getting a rug, don't feed into the last minute throwing down of 2 or three bids.

Decide what you would be willing to pay for this rug, if it has not already exceeded that by the time there's 10 minutes left, throw your bid down last minute. There are a lot of free services out there for eBay sniping. I believe auction sniper is a good one to use, although it does not promise action, there are upgrades for paid account where they may.
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#3 Posted : Monday, February 2, 2009 12:50:07 PM(UTC)
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RugPro wrote:
I've seen this seller on ebay. they're one of the most offensive when it comes to accurately describing items. Doesn't mean you shouldn't bid, but as we've talked about before, this often translates into other aspects of doing business.

i doubt natural dye, they call it orange for the color, this is not a "museum" rug as they call it, I sincerely doubt the KPSI is over 200, let alone 250. Lastly, the photographs are not detailed enough to determine origin. They call this a farahan design, but it's actually an american sarouk design with covered field of floral sprays.

What does this mean? It's okay to purchase from a less reputable seller, but make sure everything is spelled out. Not on the phone, but in words on an email regarding return policy and if they refund shipping... make sure that's all in order before purchasing. If you do not like the rug, last thing you want to deal with is sending or driving 75 lbs of wool and cotton back to these guys.

Last thing I want to mention about this seller. A while back I saw suspicious bidding activity. not on just one rug, but multiple rugs over an extended period of time. Shill bidding is out there, and something to protect yourself from. Jilly, Krow's suggestion was good about sniping at the last minute. If you are serious about getting a rug, don't feed into the last minute throwing down of 2 or three bids.

Decide what you would be willing to pay for this rug, if it has not already exceeded that by the time there's 10 minutes left, throw your bid down last minute. There are a lot of free services out there for eBay sniping. I believe auction sniper is a good one to use, although it does not promise action, there are upgrades for paid account where they may.





O bless You for this dense with vital data post. Now, please just shoot me. My mother always railed I WOULD never survive, SHE SAID, cause I am very smart, BUT not at all SHREWD, TOO TRUSTING, and I give everytHing away.

Please text her she was right. THEN shoot me.

Note: in that little jocular section in one of my mails to them....pls do this and that.....I wasn't really kidding about what I asked for. Maybe it is vegetable dye....but from a vat with a Tropicana logo.

Miss Jilly is Dis Mayed. ALSO GRATEFUL.
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PS, I do not like the rug, as per above, I see every part of what it isn't; I was drawn to the ostensible KPSI.....but did I know wut U just shared? OMG....no. The nefarious factor rarely strikes me.....cause for me, it is foreign. I now get, we tend to think others are like we.

Was hoping the infamous Winehouse right might arrive today.....maybe tomorrow. I need a laugh.
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#4 Posted : Monday, February 2, 2009 12:54:11 PM(UTC)
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If you're willing to take a risk, there's little harm with submitting a low bid.
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#5 Posted : Monday, February 2, 2009 12:59:35 PM(UTC)
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RugPro wrote:
If you're willing to take a risk, there's little harm with submitting a low bid.


No.....there is uber harm, forget, no upside. Truth is God. (Also, Google) Again, I do not like the rug, I liked the KPSI as they depicted them. But I also believed what they wrote in reply to my mails. I mean people ask me questions, I give them ACCURATE ANSWERS.

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Edit: From jump on eBay, I got the decide what you are willing to pay phenomenon. I have implemented this succesfully re everything from jeans to Optiplexes. But I know the value of all of those. in this, Murky Marks. TRue...I am getting sharper, but I see, NOT SHARP ENOUGH TO EVEN CUT ICE CREAM.

I also had no clue shilling existed on ebay. Wouldn't U think someone high up would monitor that? I guess you would not assume if U had a brain.
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#6 Posted : Monday, February 2, 2009 1:37:35 PM(UTC)
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Jilly, I think we saw this one before, you don't like it? It looks a lot longer on one side, but he's got a best offer on it, maybe he'd accept a fair offer
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#7 Posted : Monday, February 2, 2009 2:49:43 PM(UTC)
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RugPro wrote:
Jilly, I think we saw this one before, you don't like it? It looks a lot longer on one side, but he's got a best offer on it, maybe he'd accept a fair offer



Indeed (also alas) we have seen it before. Pro....I know what a consummate act of courage it is for you to look at new, knock off rugs without hurling. I truly do. This one form Joe...I again find painful. Again, it makes excruciating contrast to mine; the colors are pathetic, they have Given Up, "soft" in no way marker for GOOD.....and the border is not simply overbearing & ENCROACHING, but even worse: ARBITRARY. It neither supports nor compliments the field. And the pale blue tepid gratuitous flora... OK for state funerals.....but not even for Baby Phat jeans.

Otherwise, I luv it. lol

Pls, it upsets me you now feel impelled to find the Jillly Rug!!!! Let me do the hunting; the hunting NOT YOUR JOB, (O mah Gh-OD) When I post a new find, I will harvest and cherish yr responses. That is more than enuff, believe me.
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