I just found this. It's not the stuff of dreams to be sure (mine was), not the perfect, translucent but rich red field color...but also not disgusting. There are no bids, it's no money.....and my take is it is newer even than what they say. What do you think of this? Krow gets it is unremarkable. Let us place bets on that. heh heh

Perhaps I need to give up on remarkable.

Now, I see, when they say low pile.....U can't determine anything worth determining. Maybe I will ask them questions.

Link

Yes, now that I see far more, I see a couple of knotheads showing. But few. And no blue thingies. I must ask them about both of those. I think one of the background colors in the corner field detail is really interesting. OK, pretty interesting.

Yes, hand knotted. See the charming variations within the rather lovely peacock bud thingies in thh medallion? I have circled. I think I need to get this. then I will have gotten a rug.

Unless someone not in critical rug mass-MANIA, and with intelligence, experience, normal emotional state and discernment weighs in and tells me things I do not know, can not see and do not GET. I should also wait for them to reply.

I am now trying to cram on Mashads. So interesting! And at first, I thought they were too ornate for me, but I have changed my mind. Mr. O'Connell has posted a gazillion to die for ones.....all authentic antiques, many sold at Sotheby's, both here and in the UK.

Compared to the truly glorious examples, the one I am interested in is, well....not. But I must live in The Real World, alas. And, given what is out there now just within this genre under a certain amount, I think the one which struck my fancy is really nice.

I also learned, early on they messed with-treated the wool so that it would take the dye more fully; this compromised the durability of nearly all Mashads made at a certain time. Mr. O'Connell says, the good news, now that that has been fixed, is those bearing this fatal flaw have already worn out and are not out there.

Re below, ALL THREE: SIGH.......

For some reason those aren't showing the sizes. But they are all between 7X10 - 10X13. They're beautiful in person. But they are the kind of rugs you see on eBay most often, not what you will find at a Christies auction and some of these sellers on ebay make their rugs sound like they might be bought by a museum and that is a load of BS.

Krow.....I will be able to afford something at a Christie's rug auction....when the world is free of corruption and starvation.... and not a moment sooner. But I am a very happy human! Bet.....many levels more joyous than most people who get those rugs!!

The ones I posted are not the vast majority of what I have gotten. I go more for the geometric tribals and I have a lot of runners. What I mean by volley is get into a bidding war with one or more buyers. What I do, and I can share this with you because I don't think we'd ever be bidding on the same carpets, but when I see something I want I figure out if it's an absolute must or if it's just good inventory of the type I like. I never bid before the last ten seconds. Ever. Then I come in and slam dunk my highest bid that I am willing to way. More often than not, I have carried it off that way. If I see a lot of bids, I see who they are and how many buys they have, and then I look at what they have bought. I weigh all this when determining how I am going to bid. Sometimes people are in a frenzy and I can tell it's just the list of the game, like idiots sweating over a slot machine. I don't play into that hand because I know they will get crazy and make the seller very happy. Nut sometimes there are "young" bidders who don't know how it's done and I wait and watch and snag it at the last minute. And like I say, this works very well. Only a few times I entered a bidding war and it was when I wanted something for myself. But you really have to familiarize yourself with what's on there. I have also watched as many auctions on there as I have participated in just as an exercise. But like I say, I really don't believe we are going to find any "Stradivarius" carpets on there. Yes, everything from junk to really nice solid rugs, but nothing that should be in Christies.

Actually Jilly, we can afford something at a Christie's rug auction. I was at the big show last summer where the Doris Duke Abbas carpet went for the top dollar a rug has ever commanded. And a lot of the rugs in that sale were very reasonable. When I say the rugs on eBay won't be in Christies I don't mean dollar-wise, I mean quality-wise. Sadly, a lot of very fine rugs went for in the high hundreds to $2,500-$5,000. at that auction. I posted that auction results and the accompanying photos on this site somewhere.

O M G!

Talk about breeching the pile, boy. lol

Yep,,,,,he knows what he is doing, Krow does.

Any responses to the Mashad, original subject of this thread? Or are you ruggin out>? How could you NOT be?!

I so appreciate this. Did U scroll up and see the ones I found while researching Masahds Mr. O'Connell put up? They are amazing. Also, a fortune, all antiques. Every rug I luv turns out to be a fortune when I ask. And that is not true in other areas, it truly isn't. Anyone who pays $300 for jeans should be tarred and feathered and made to serve the homeless. It's all commerce and imagery and pseudo cache.

But not, I only now see.....in RUGS.

By the by, I mailed the vendor much earlier; I pasted it here. I told them I saw couple of knotheads---NOW THAT I KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE and asked....also about the pile, etc. I will be interested in their reply.
************************************
I assume you were calling Krow's attention to the Tabriz, yes? Cause that puppy, I think Ihave never seen before. Have I?
____________________________________________
Pro.....I can not believe you would think I would ever, ever, ever own a machine made or synthetic rug. U know that is not even an option, right? Common, I was raised by antiquarians!

I am 5'7" and between size 2 & 3. That's pretty minimum, and it never gets beyond those, really. hahahahahaha

OK I am tired and same deal as when I have a glass of wine; I get silly verging on infant.

No, 8 X 10 is OK. the Amy Winehouse rug I was today told ships from Philly, not Canada.....do not ask me....is even smaller. but I did not get that one as a serious purchase, remember.

I just sent this below. I observe this second....I am growing up; I will abide no more smoke and mirrors or games; I know a little now and I want them to know I do. Also entirely new for me....that I just typed "so I can detemine what I am willing to pay.".....or close to that. Before only coupla days ago, I was completely insecure, vulnerable, ignorant and obsequious. I can't believe that has started to change in practically no time. And only because of HERE!!!!!!!

I am the CLIENT, Ok? I work hard for my money and keep it real. Increasingly I am asking very clear, and rug-specific questions. I will now determine what I might give you for this rug....which I do not see swarms of salving customers lined up for, OK? And first, you must answer the questions, they are Not ARBITRARY.. Cause there is no way I can go see this rug in person! You play games, I leave.

And do Not erode my trust by tellng me base rot can only manifest in the face of pile loss!!!! As little as I know, I now know SOMETHING.
_________________________________________________________
Hi again,

Thanks for these data. first know, I was raised by antiquarians with fine Persian rugs..."American" Sarouks.

Seems this rug is still available, I am trying to get clear on the specifics and what I would be willing to pay for it. so....if I may again:

1) Again, some knot heads are visible in one of yr images. Do these appear all over the rug or only in the lower areas of pile which you say are not down to the weft?

2) When I say dry and brittle, a carpet can have decent pile, but its foundation can still have rot and be dry and brittle. Is what you are saying this rug does not have that issue?

3) Compared with the rugs I was raised with, I would not consider this one semi antique. I am sure it has lower KPSIs than the ones I was raised with; as we know, the older Sarouks were made to last forever with even just halfway decent care, were finely woven......so the pile wear on this confuses me a bit, given it is relatively new.

4) Is yr 100 KPSI accurate?

I appreciate your time and all accurate data on this rug,
Jill

No, Winehouse rug not yet here. I mailed them long ago, they responded, my paypal address was not confirmed ples mi7l them my address. I mailed paypal which I never had trouble with, they said I had two addresses, the same but slightly different and I should move my confirmed one to the other one. I did that. I mailed the Canada people twice including my address saying yes this is my address.

I think last time yesterday. I said I now it has to go thru customs; they said no, we are up here but we ship from Philly. I have no clue.

Very cute....make it into avatar. Truth is, I really wanna see it in person!!!!!! then invite everyone in and sell them drugs. Cause they will be needing drugs. lol


Believe it or not, even with that field color....this is 2 year old rug, remember, I think it is nowhere as insulting as some of those in eBay feigning identity!!!!! It has no shame, that rug. It was like unalloyed oasis blight in the midst of then hundreds Ihad seen all of which were poseurs.
I think of them as "nothing up my sleeve, trust me" snake oil rugs.

This is not a snake oil rug, OK? This is overtly insane, over the top rug. I can't wait to see it. I mean it!!!!! I am not at all sorry I bought that rug. Plus, if you only knew the laughter I had.....starting with seeing it, thru the bidding.....and sitll, that si pricless....in contrast with the seriousness of the reality of this undustry.....and the landmines U must fathom and circumvent......which for me ain NO KINDA FUN AT ALL.