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Another old sarouk..Persian or American???
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#1 Posted : Wednesday, March 25, 2015 7:36:37 AM(UTC)
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Found another old Sarouk in a dusty, flea market antique shop. I did not buy it but am curious as to whether I can identify correctly. It is really dirty. It measures approx. 40" by 24". I took 3 pics. So knowing it's age and type would be appreciated. I think Persian Sarouk, 1910.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, March 25, 2015 11:30:57 AM(UTC)
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Could be that old, although 1920's would be my estimate. Sarouk just as you identified. Some may say Mohajeran. Both Persian Sarouk and American Sarouk are Persian Sarouks. A lot of dealers will reference finer American Sarouks as being European or German Sarouks, which often are the better grade Sarouks that were picked up by dealers in the 70's/80's as stock and goods here in the states since import then sent back to overseas markets.
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cartona on 3/25/2015(UTC)
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, March 25, 2015 1:36:40 PM(UTC)
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RugPro,
Thank you very much for that information. A couple questions: so the dealer stockpile Sarouk rugs in the 1970's and 1980's that were made after the Carbolic wash/painting period post 1950 so that no painted rugs were sent back to Europe. Here are a couple of young Sarouks I bought for $30 -$40 each about 6 months ago. These were in almost unused condition. I dated these to the 30-40's decades. What do you think of their age?
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, March 25, 2015 7:19:41 PM(UTC)
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a lot of sarouk rugs imported to the states from the 20's through 40's were sent back to higher paying markets in the 70s and 80s which was mostly germany / europe
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cartona on 3/27/2015(UTC)
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#5 Posted : Friday, March 27, 2015 4:44:06 AM(UTC)
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I think you are right about the age being around 1910, of course nobody can be very precise unless there is provenance.

Your other two pieces the first one I think is about 50 to 60 years old and is a very good piece. The second one is also good but in the same class in my opinion and about 20 to 30 years old.

If you like collecting Saruks then look for the much finer ones and there are some exceptional works with fantastic wool if you find them rather than the so called American Design one.
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cartona on 3/27/2015(UTC)
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#6 Posted : Friday, March 27, 2015 4:50:54 PM(UTC)
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Rug Pro and Sharafi,
Thank you for your helping me identify the specifics for these Sarouks!
Since joining the RugRag, I have become an avid collector and have begun using some rugs as Study Pieces where I can examine the structure and the pile, design, etc. since I do not have a local, knowledgeable dealer where I can hang out and learn.

Since I can't keep all of them, I try to keep the better ones and sale the others. From the education I have received on the Rug Rag and other good references, I have replaced all of the larger area carpets in my home with better ones, now knowing their age, origin, ethnography, structure, etc. I recently got 2 books by Cecil Edwards and Murray L. Eiland, Jr. I believe they are both on the reading lists of Spongo Bongo and Rug Rag's home page. I used to get the books and look at the pictures. Now I get the books and read the the content.

Thanks Rug Rag!!!
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