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#1 Posted : Thursday, December 4, 2014 6:25:04 PM(UTC)
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Can anyone please ID what type of knot this is, and where a carpet with this type of knot may have been made?
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#2 Posted : Thursday, December 4, 2014 10:14:50 PM(UTC)
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you cant always tell from the back of the rug, and the type of knot is sometimes not as relevant as the type of rug in hand.

For knot ID, sometimes the front you can see without taking a knot out... although this can be difficult too depending on the weave.

Take the rug, and fold it lengthwise with the warps. Depending on how thick the pile is and how much the rug was picked after weaving, the knots should breach more or less in fairly clean columns... If you can photograph when they're arranged like this, you may be able to tell, although it would also help if you can further part each column and separate the pile of the knots with a nail or other similar object.
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#3 Posted : Friday, December 5, 2014 4:05:12 AM(UTC)
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RugPro wrote:
you cant always tell from the back of the rug, and the type of knot is sometimes not as relevant as the type of rug in hand.


Thanks for the answer and info re looking at knots from front.

However, I didn't post the front of the rug as that would 'give the game away' so to speak.

Basically I have a (nice) rug that I believe is a 'copy' made somewhere other than where it is supposed to be made. So am trying to get an 'unbiased' answer on what you experts think on knots alone. Looking at the front / design one would think it is from the supposed place of making, looking at the back I do not. Hence why I just posted knots from back. Make sense?
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#4 Posted : Friday, December 5, 2014 12:35:22 PM(UTC)
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What you are saying makes sense, but you cannot really distinguish knots from the back.

From what you have posted, this could be hand knotted jufti, symmetrical, or persian knot. That covers the top three rug knots in cut pile carpets. Because there are two similar color nodes or knots, this could represent a slim portion of weaving with symmetrical knot, and no loom offset - most commonly there would be 90 degree offset unless some afghan, paki or turkmen. These last four options would be cut pile. This also could be soumac weave - that's basically every oriental rug less tufted and flatweaves other than soumac.

I understand the game, but there is no real way to distinguish. BUT - since you're saying this is a game and for educational purposes placing an educated guess, I think we're looking at a symmetrical or what they call turkish knot with no offset and both nodes exposed.
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#5 Posted : Friday, December 5, 2014 3:10:28 PM(UTC)
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RugPro wrote:
BUT - since you're saying this is a game and for educational purposes placing an educated guess,


Argh, maybe my 'give the game away' phrase has been misunderstood. What I meant by that term, which may or may not be in common use internationally, is that if I had initially posted a pic of the front of the rug (not as you described re folding, etc, but of the overall design) it would, I thought, defeat the purpose of trying to ID the rug by the knot style, as the design of the rug 'should mean' it came from only one area / region, as the design is very particular to that one region. However, because of the 'look' of the back of the rug I am very doubtful it does.

Anyway, over the weekend I will try to do as you said and take a couple of close up photos along a fold and post, and if we get no further with that, then I'll post a photo of the complete front side of the rug, side by side with one that is definitely made in the 'area' in question.

So definitely not trying to play a game with anybody, or being, how to say, tricky/underhand or wasting peoples time, with my posts.

That being said I VERY much appreciate your / anybody's input.
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