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#1 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:33:04 PM(UTC)
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Kindly help identify this rug. size. 10.9ft by 7.3ft.
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:21:30 PM(UTC)
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I think it's a Sabsevar (Khorasan Province). It is in a very poor condition but then again they are not known for their durability. I think it's a 1950 or a 1960 piece.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:10:23 PM(UTC)
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Dear Sharafi and Co. Thank you. What would your comnents be on this piece?
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:39:20 AM(UTC)
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Well really my comments are what I said. Pieces from Sabzevar do not usually have great second hand value unless they are something special in good condition. There is really not much of this rug left to work with or rather worth working with. But it is the sort of rug they use for patchwork.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2014 3:03:59 AM(UTC)
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Sharafi & Co wrote:
Well really my comments are what I said. Pieces from Sabzevar do not usually have great second hand value unless they are something special in good condition. There is really not much of this rug left to work with or rather worth working with. But it is the sort of rug they use for patchwork.


Sorry; I had attached a photo of another rug with the comment above; which somehow did not get attached. I will resend when I am near my computer.
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I agree with Sharafi & Co. - east Persian Chorasan area. My thought would be Birdjand since the kpsi seems a bit higher than on most Sabsevar pieces. But really poor condition.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:32:23 AM(UTC)
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I agree with the other specialists. However, I do think it could be a little older. Also, although the rug has extremely low supported market value, it does have a high decorative value. This worn, distressed and tattered look needs to be accounted for in valuation today. You may be able to pick up a rug like this for very little. However, if it is cleaned and serviced properly it would be a much different story.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:33:47 AM(UTC)
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Thank you so much. It is beautiful one, had it been in a better condition. What would this rug be; its in bad condition but quite old and i was told by someone it might be silk:
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:38:05 AM(UTC)
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size 13.6 ft by 11.8ft
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Agra perhaps. Condition is quite harsh. Silk would be rather unlikely in this carpet, but not impossible. Do you have closer photographs to indicate detail of suspected silk areas?
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#11 Posted : Thursday, September 25, 2014 3:27:10 AM(UTC)
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It can be Agra; i suspect the red in centre and dark green in larger border to be silk. I base my claim on the fact that i was told this rug has silk in it and that it has a very smooth silky feeling to it; although it has not been cleaned in ages. I dont have any close up photos at the moment. Will check later.
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Do post when you have. Also, it is helpful to create a new forum thread/topic for each individual rug. How is it these rugs sustained so much damage but still exist? What is the story with them.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:39:33 AM(UTC)
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Thank you RugPro, I did not want flood the topics so posting under same thread; i will start new thread for each new rug that i post from now.

These and other rugs were mostly in rooms of palaces which my family had at Darband(princely state of Amb-family has a history of rule in that region for 400 yrs) an area which came under the Tarbela Reservoir(largest earth filled dam in the world) in 1970. Afterwards these were moved to a summer home my family has a bit up north, at a place called Shergarh. Upto 1973 all elders of our family; grandfather, grandmother all had passed away. My father being in boarding school at the time and aged 14 was eldest son. All property was taken by government as custodian until my father and his siblings would reach 18. This position stayed till 1987. During this period our homes suffered from mismanagement and thieving. These rugs were discovered by my father; folded and piled up in a store in the 200 yr old fort at Shergarh in late 1980s. He noticed there condition wasnt good so left them there as they were kept. Since 2010 I developed interest in rescuing these. And have been trying to restore them ever since. The cost of restoration is not cheap so i try to put together atleast one every year.
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some close ups of the rug:
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Thank you for the background. That's quite interesting because it puts everything in context. The rugs have a history.

While the photos are of good resolution, they are not of the detail we need to perhaps say one way or the other regarding material content. As you may have seen in other areas of the forum, there are serious limitations to estimating the actual material content. If you suspect there may be silk, there are methods of extracting a knot and testing. In briefly looking at the images provided, the rug appears to be quite old, perhaps 1880. It's not improbable it could be older, but we have to be relatively conservative. The red may be of another material than wool, however, common to Agra made carpets are cotton pile rugs, which can feel similar to silk. It is also possible the wool is quite fine and feels like silk. Most probably, the difference felt is due to the recess of what appears to me to possibly be wool. The red dye perhaps had a mordant or other acidic element that has eaten away at the wool at a different rate than the adjacent greens, golds, beige, etc. So this would explain some of the recess. Some stronger deterioration in some areas over other may be a combination of UV exposure with patterned wear, or perhaps other.
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Hkhan on 9/25/2014(UTC)
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#16 Posted : Thursday, September 25, 2014 1:21:27 PM(UTC)
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Thank you so much. It can be the fine wool or cotton which feels that way because it certainly feels way smoother when walked over bare feet.

Kindly take a look at the Old Antique Agra piece i have posted in Rug Cleaning and Repair section. I found a rug on Oriental Rugs website; which resembles mine quite a lot; can i use the details of that rug for mine?
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