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#1 Posted : Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:20:52 PM(UTC)
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Hi,

We just came back from our Turkey trip with a new carpet which we bought from a small local store in Malatya that is in middle-east of Turkey. I am very excited with this purchase because it was expensive for our budget and we are not carpet experts. Unfortunately the carpet dealer did not seem to be an expert either and could not inform us at all about it.

So we bought this new carpet without knowing much about it and now we are curious about its features. In particular the following:

1. Is this a genuine Turkish hand-made carpet to start with?
2. If it is from Turkey, from which part? If not, where is it from?
3. I measured that there are about ~21 knots/cm2 (~135 knots/in2) which is not very high according what I read from the internet. Does this mean that this carpet cannot be from Usak, Sivas, Kayseri, Hereke? ...or is it possible that it might even be from Hereke with a lower knot density?
4. What kind of knots are used, Turkish or any other?
5. What do the patterns on the carpet mean?
6. The colors on the carpet change enormously from very dark to very bright depending on the direction of pile and light. How important is this for determining the prize?
7. Lastly, we paid 2000$ for this carpet. Was this according to your opinion a good, OK, bad or a very bad buy?

Below are few pictures of the carpet, I tried to show the colors against and in the direction of pile. The unit in the ruler is cm.

Thank you very much for your help and teaching...
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:34:22 PM(UTC)
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I forgot to write the size, it is 195 x 149 cm ( 76.7 x 58.6 in ).
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:42:18 PM(UTC)
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I am no expert; but this is a beautiful rug indeed, cheers!
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:18:00 PM(UTC)
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Hi
Looks Afghan to me but i could be wrong
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:48:45 PM(UTC)
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Thank you very much for the comments. I have researched this issue a bit more yesterday on the internet. Now I am more inclined to think that this carpet is actually Kazak. Can anyone please comment on this? Can this carpet be a Kazak carpet made in Pakistan?
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#6 Posted : Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:02:13 AM(UTC)
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I'd also say Afghan, looks like a finer Kargahi type weave.

I would say you paid retail, or maybe over, although it's a fairly unique design. Buying in Turkey is mostly like buying in the UK or US, only you can't return something if you don't like it.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:10:17 AM(UTC)
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It is an Afghan. I believe it is a Kunduz. It is normal for hand made rugs to be lighter from one end to the other. This is because of the way the pile lies. From the darker end you are looking into the pile so it absorbs the light more and from the other end it reflects it. In a way you get two rugs for the price of one, which you can't with machine made ones. I am afraid that in my opinion you paid more than you would have had to at home but that is not surprising with purchases from Turkey. However, you have a nice rug enjoy it. By the way it is new or very new.
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#8 Posted : Friday, September 19, 2014 2:42:46 AM(UTC)
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The answers help a lot, thank you very much.

Although I initially thought it might be Kazak, I am now more inclined to think it is Afghan. After I read your comments, I started looking into Afghan carpets and found very similar or same borders.

(Afghan border 1)




(Afghan border 2)




I read that the second border belongs to an Afghan war carpet. But I could not figure out which region the first border is from.

Also I have been checking the internet for 2 days now and I could not find any similar carpet (neither Kargahi nor Kunduz) which has similar patterns in the field.

I really appreciate that you have helped me a lot. I would be very glad if you can guide me more about other possible options. If you still think it is Kargahi or Kunduz, can you please provide more information about why do you think so?
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#9 Posted : Friday, September 19, 2014 3:31:33 AM(UTC)
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While the images that you have loaded are Afghan but it is not the same as your own piece.

http://www.boutiquecarpe...p;action=view&id=57

The above piece is from the same area as your piece. Unfortunately there are no images of the back so you can compare the weaves. However, I think you can see some similar characteristic in the border and the field. If you look at the fringe ends again they are similar.
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#10 Posted : Friday, September 19, 2014 4:58:23 AM(UTC)
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Thank you very much Sharafi & Co for helping me. I am convinced that it is Kunduz. I have one last question about this carpet. I would be very grateful if you can comment on this as well.

The carpet has detailed patterns all over so we did not notice any flaw when we were checking it in the store. But when we brought it home, we realized that there are several flaws on the patterns, pretty much spread over everywhere on the carpet.

How much do these affect the quality and prize? You have already mentioned that we might have over paid but now I am worried that we paid way too much. Is this case? Would it be possible to buy this carpet for 1000$ or less in Europe?

Thank you very very much for your help!

Here are the examples for the flaws:
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#11 Posted : Friday, September 19, 2014 5:26:19 PM(UTC)
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Everything you note is normal and not a problem. The knots in the wrong color are called white knots, they are the foundation of the rug tied together in the loom, and the ends simply poke through to the front of the pile. The off kilter design and contouring is normal. Too much negative space or the imbalance of (as you note with a design element missing) can affect the overall aesthetic of a rug, and therefore make it less marketable. The things to make note of are the quality of wool, density of weave, quality and tone of colors, harmony of the piece, overall aesthetic.... But to really understand this you have to see a lot, and a lot, and a lot of rugs. Or, the easiest thing to do is see a handful of rugs at a reputable shop, and buy what you like.
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