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Persian Carpet? If so, which region?
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#1 Posted : Friday, March 28, 2014 9:10:25 PM(UTC)
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Hi! I recently was lucky enough to stumble upon a beautiful oriental carpet at a thrift store for only $30 It's about 5' x 7', appears to be all wool and is in great shape - looks to my eyes as though it may be antique... but I am not sure. It did have a not so nice dog/cat odor from an apparent pet accident. Even so, for the price I couldn't see passing it up. Took it outside, hosed it down and washed it with woolite. (As a child I was privileged to live in Tehran, Iran, and saw locals do this many times with their rugs at a place with a fresh water spring called Cheshmeh Ali). Thankfully most of the stained areas came clean & the colors of the rug stayed put and did not run. The unpleasant scent has also dissapated with the application of an enzyme product I found called Odornix. So now I'd like to know if any of the resident experts on here can tell me anything about which region the rug may originally be from? Is it Persian - or perhaps Armenian? And also - if anyone knows what some of the symbols on the rug may mean? I see a number of what I think may be "crosses", but that doesn't seem like it would jive with a muslim persian carpet to me - perhaps it is not from there? Also see "rose flowers" and an number of something slightly geometric designs. Anyway - I'd enjoy learning more about these carpets and would certainly appreciate any input one my new treasure! :-) Thanks!


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#2 Posted : Saturday, March 29, 2014 3:36:22 PM(UTC)
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Persian Tabriz, great deal.
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#3 Posted : Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:13:42 PM(UTC)
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Thank you VERY much for your quick response - I appreciate the time you resident experts so graciously give to help us rug "newbies" out! I am very excited to learn that my original instincts were right and the rug is, indeed, Persian - and from Tabriz, no less :-) I assume you are able to discern that from the design & type of knots/selvage? Does that region specialize in a specific type of design? If I remember correctly from my childhood days in Iran, the city of Tabriz is not too far from Armenia - I wonder if perhaps that might explain some of the symbols/pattern in the rug? I am wondering if you were also able to gauge an approximate age for this rug? To me, it does not look new... so I am thinking it is "older" - but how much so, I have no idea. There are a few small spots on the side of the rug which have unraveled a tiny bit, etc. but really nothing too bad. Depending on the rug's value I may look into finding an expert in the area who could repair the unraveled spots. Do you have any idea what an approximate value on it might be?? Thank you! Oh - and FWIW, here is a link to a site I found that shows the rug cleaning spring in Iran I mentioned in my first post: http://rugmaster.blogspo...aning-old-style-way.html
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#4 Posted : Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:18:01 AM(UTC)
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, April 1, 2014 3:27:52 AM(UTC)
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It is a 20 raj Tabriz about 40 to 50 years old. The condition is not too bad. With the edges done, you would have to pay about $1200 at least to buy it in a shop. So you see what deals you can get for repairing it and decide for yourself if it is worth it. These days you cannot wash rugs like they used to in Cheshmali because the dyes and wools are not like they used to be with some of the pieces that are produced and you rug can become quite crooked with colour bleeding.

It is interesting how different people see motifs in different ways. Quite clearly the weaver of this piece did not see the Guls as Crosses when he/she wove it in.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:52:33 PM(UTC)
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Many Thanks for your very helpful explanation, Sharif & Co.! Interesting comment on washing the newer rugs as opposed to the older ones - I hadn't thought of that, but it makes sense. I guess I got lucky that this turned out to be an "older" rug :-) I realize that is is not the most expensive rug out there, but I do like it very much - and considering the price I paid for it, I think I will look around for a reputable carpet repair place in my area and see what they quote to fix the edges. Also - I really appreciated your insight on the meaning behind the "gul" symbol - (although I didn't know it was called that), I now realize that what I was seeing as a "cross" was based upon my own experiences with that shape, as opposed to what the weaver may have considered that shape to be. You have piqued my interest, and I am now quite curious to learn more about the gul symbols of the various tribes near Tabriz... assuming this is a "tribal" rug and not a "city" one? If you have any suggestions of good sites for me to explore in order to learn more on this (and other rug symbology) subject, I would very much appreciate it! Once again, THANK YOU very much for taking your time to help me learn more about my serendipitous acquisition! The kindness of complete strangers always amazes me!
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, April 2, 2014 3:33:38 AM(UTC)
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You are welcome. Your piece classifies as a city piece even though it might have been woven in one of the towns near Tabriz. One of the best books on Persian Carpets is the Cecil Edward one with the same name, if you can find it. Most people consider it as the bible. There are many books on symbols and a lot of them are peoples interpretation rather than an actual study into the matter. One of the scholars on these subjects that I actually rate is Dr John Thompson and he has written a couple of books that do also talk about symbols and also a good book by Malek Chebel as well. I am sure there are more books that are very good too.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, April 3, 2014 5:16:30 PM(UTC)
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Many thanks to you again, Mr. Sharafi !(Btw -I must inject as an aside, that I have very fond memories of a quite kind person who shared your last name from my days in Iran long ago - he was a young man serving in the Iranian military at the time- mid 1970s -who was a friend of our family & also an accomplished artist who painted several lovely watercolors as parting gifts for our family when we left his country. It is no wonder that I find someone else with that same name who is also so creative, helpful and kind!). I very much appreciated your book suggestion and am hoping to obtain a copy via Interlibrary loan here so that I may peruse it and maybe become a bit more knowledgeable about such a fascinating art. I plan to look at other books, as well. Hopefully they will aid me in at least learning to tell if a carpet is tribal or city made! I have a couple of other Persian type rugs which my in-laws have given us, Hopefully I can find out more about them, as well :-) I do remember touring a carpet weaving shop in Tehran with my mother as a child and being fascinated at how young some of the weavers there were - many not that much older than I at the time - and how nimble and quick their fingers were. The art of carpet weaving is truly unique and something that weavers pour their hearts into - which I guess is why I am so curious about the symbols used in the rugs and why they may have been selected. They seem to be such a personal piece of art - I always think of how difficult it must be for the weavers to sell them after having spent spent so much time and effort making them! Thank you again for your kind reading suggestion :-)
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