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Turkish ROYAL. Where was it made?
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#1 Posted : Friday, August 2, 2013 11:24:23 PM(UTC)
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I bought this rug in Istanbul last year. At the time I knew very little about rugs let alone Turkish rugs. My lack of experience has resulted in a purchase which is unlikely to be an authentic Turkish rug. I have been led to believe that this is the case? Could someone indicate the accuracy of this claim?
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#2 Posted : Saturday, August 3, 2013 3:20:04 AM(UTC)
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Seems to be chinese wool rug.
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#3 Posted : Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:31:37 AM(UTC)
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Thanks. Thats what I was told.
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#4 Posted : Saturday, August 3, 2013 1:25:26 PM(UTC)
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This is a classic Tabriz with the cotton foundation and wool and silk knotting. White color flowers are made out of silk. Tabriz rugs are from Iran. But because of embargo to Iran and cost of cheap labour in china most of these rugs are now come from china. Persian ones are much more expensive and valuable than Chinese. You have a beautiful rug. You should enjoy it.
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traditionalrugrepair wrote:
This is a classic Tabriz with the cotton foundation and wool and silk knotting. White color flowers are made out of silk. Tabriz rugs are from Iran. But because of embargo to Iran and cost of cheap labour in China most of these rugs are now come from China. Persian ones are much more expensive and valuable than Chinese. You have a beautiful rug. You should enjoy it.

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#6 Posted : Saturday, August 3, 2013 6:37:50 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for your thoughts. It's not that I don't appreciate the rug, just that when the rug was shown to me the salesperson indicated that the rug was made in Turkey by turks. This was to substantiate its high price, which was $6,900 US. With such a high starting price it was difficult to get a true value. I ended up paying $4,000 US. Even so if I were in Iran I would hope that a rug purchased there would be made by Iranians, in Iran! Isn't it forbidden to sell rugs in Turkey & Iran that are not made in their own countries?
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#7 Posted : Saturday, August 3, 2013 10:45:16 PM(UTC)
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No it is not illegal to sell them. But it is not ethical. They should not have lied to you.
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TonyG wrote:
Thanks for your thoughts. It's not that I don't appreciate the rug, just that when the rug was shown to me the salesperson indicated that the rug was made in Turkey by turks. This was to substantiate its high price, which was $6,900 US. With such a high starting price it was difficult to get a true value. I ended up paying $4,000 US. Even so if I were in Iran I would hope that a rug purchased there would be made by Iranians, in Iran! Isn't it forbidden to sell rugs in Turkey & Iran that are not made in their own countries?


Iran doesn't like rugs coming into their country at all, never mind those that aren't Persian. Turkey seems full of non Turkish rugs, particularly if you're in one of these weaving centres where they 'knot the rugs in front of you' - which is another phrase for tourist trap.

We find people who buy a rug in Turkey generally pay about the same price as they would in the UK or US retail, probably getting carried away with the strong sales-pitch and experience. Some get good deals, others buy "silk" that's really viscose or worse, machine-made.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, August 8, 2013 7:16:28 AM(UTC)
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Tourist trap it is. The weaver was, as you say demonstrating her knotting skills to the gallery while the salesman gave his pitch. All rugs shown were possibly Turkish made, but when we went to the back room different rugs were brought to us. Surprisingly the salesman contacted me yesterday from Turkey and apologised for unintentionally being misleading. When asked why he didn't put the origin of his Rug he simply said "that we never do". Had he simply told me it was a reproduction made in China, I would have asked to see a different Rug, probably twice as expensive.

Thanks again
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#10 Posted : Thursday, August 8, 2013 7:21:44 AM(UTC)
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TonyG wrote:

Tourist trap it is. The weaver was, as you say demonstrating her knotting skills to the gallery while the salesman gave his pitch. All rugs shown were possibly Turkish made, but when we went to the back room different rugs were brought to us. Surprisingly the salesman contacted me yesterday from Turkey and apologised for unintentionally being misleading. When asked why he didn't put the origin of his Rug he simply said "that we never do". Had he simply told me it was a reproduction made in China, I would have asked to see a different Rug, probably twice as expensive.

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I have a picture in the office of me sitting in a room full of rugs in Turkey when I was 14, bored out my mind, on holiday with my parents. They stopped during a jeep safari and my parents almost bought a rug. Looking at the picture now I can tell that most of the rugs in the room and on the wall aren't Turkish. Nothing wrong with not being Turkish and indeed some are Persian, it's just very misleading.
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The rug you bought is of good quality -but the price is what most tourists pay - too much. You could have bought a rug in same quality in Australia for less.
In the last years most tourists brought rugs from India or from China that where sold as turkish. Since there is a law that enables buyers to return merchandise within a given time they don`t write the origin on the rug so buyers think the rug is turkish. You might be able to get a Discount from the seller if you contact him and tell him you want to give the rug back since you where not told about your right to return it. Most of the time cases here in Germany ended up with buyers getting back up to 50% of the paid price.
Art Oriental - Djoharian fine oriental rug, since 1967
Ludwigstr. 21 97816 Lohr, Bavaria - Germany
https://www.the-rug-store.de
https://www.facebook.com...TeppicheArtOrientalGmbh
https://www.instagram.com/djoharian_collection/



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