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#1 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 7:09:30 AM(UTC)
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Thoughts and possible age on an antique (what we believe to be) Tabriz?

The rug was used in various events (Coronations and Weddings) in Glasgow Cathedral and Westminster Abbey and stamps attached go as far back as 1902. I believe the rug was not new back then but what are your opinions?

The marks on the rug are previous repairs which, although are good in terms of construction, are not so great for wool colour or type.

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#2 Posted : Saturday, July 20, 2013 4:53:42 AM(UTC)
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Anyone have any thoughts on age?
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#3 Posted : Saturday, July 20, 2013 6:08:38 PM(UTC)
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There are aspects of this carpet which could appear old. The design has similarities in the border to the seley carpet. I sincerely doubt this carpet is that old, but it is an interesting design note. Can you tell the materials used for warp, wefts and foundation.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:47:52 AM(UTC)
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Think they're cotton (although light brown - could be just age). Finer than wool generally is anyway.
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#5 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2013 9:31:16 AM(UTC)
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You are seeing it close up but the weft appears to be wool. I think you are right it is a Tabriz and I think it is Circa 1850.
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#6 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2013 10:28:50 AM(UTC)
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Sharafi & Co wrote:
You are seeing it close up but the weft appears to be wool. I think you are right it is a Tabriz and I think it is Circa 1850.


Not in the shop just now but the warp is definitely cotton, unsure of the weft. What would it indicate either way?
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#7 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2013 10:32:08 AM(UTC)
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It is more indicative of age, which is why I guessed that it is about 150 years old. As you know it is difficult enough to judge the age of some pieces even when you have them in front of you let alone from a photo. This is one of those pieces. But it certainly looks very old.
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#8 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2013 10:38:47 AM(UTC)
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I reckon it is probably around 150ish but the owner was thinking 300. But you can't just guesstimate based on condition. We even thought about getting Glasgow University to carbon date but apparently it's not accurate for something that's less than a few hundred years old.
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Thats interesting. What did the owner base the 300 on. Was it just a guess or he knows the provenance.
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#10 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2013 10:56:14 AM(UTC)
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We know the provenance for the past 120 years. Before that I have no idea. It could have been brand new the first time it was used or it could have been already antique. It was gifted to the Cathedral by Captain Charles A Hepburn so I'm presuming it was loaned to the Cathedral and Westminster Abbey etc. over the years rather than them owning it.

Found this on a website about Tartans saying Charles Hepburn had a tartan commissioned for him:

"This sett was produced for Captain Charles Hepburn in 1968 by Anderson's of Edinburgh, from an existing design. The Hepburns are associated with Hermitage Castle in Liddesdale and the history of Mary, Queen of Scots. James Hepburn, 4th Earl of Bothwell (1536-78), married the Queen after being implicated in the murder of her husband, Lord Darnley. Anderson collection is found at Kinloch Andersons of Leith Edinburgh."

There's also this:

http://www.gla.ac.uk/ser...sa-z/hepburncollection/

Hepburn Collection

This collection comprises over 300 volumes bequeathed in 1971 by Charles A. Hepburn, Glasgow whisky distiller, philanthropist, art collector and bibliophile. These are mainly first editions of 19th-century English novelists and poets. There are also a number of fine bindings and a dozen fore-edge paintings.
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