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#1 Posted : Friday, January 18, 2013 4:48:03 PM(UTC)
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Hello,

I am a new member but long-time collector of rugs. While working in Afghanistan, I have been visiting several local rug dealers. I want to share a few with all of you, but I can't figure out how to attach photos. There is an 'Insert Image' button on the website tool bar, but it doesn't do anything. If someone can help me, I would appreciate it.

Thanks
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#2 Posted : Friday, January 18, 2013 5:08:01 PM(UTC)
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I guess I found a round about way to attach images, but it would be nice to include them all in one posting with some narrative.

I already mailed the above rug home, and that was the only picture I took of it. It is a Dezin Yamod Kolagack, wool on wool, from Herat.

The next one was just showed to me today, but they don't have a price for me yet. It was a cushion, originally with a Kilim backing, but the backing is long gone. For reference, I used a nickel and came up with 576 knots/sq in.


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#3 Posted : Friday, January 18, 2013 5:17:46 PM(UTC)
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This one is from the Herat / Iran area and is called the 'King' rug and designed back around 1920 for the King of Afghanistan. It is wool on wool.

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#4 Posted : Friday, January 18, 2013 5:31:25 PM(UTC)
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This is the last one which is a wool on silk, Zahir Shah from the Herat / Iran area by the Turkman people.

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#5 Posted : Friday, January 18, 2013 5:36:08 PM(UTC)
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This is the last one which is a wool on silk, Zahir Shah from the Herat / Iran area by the Turkman people.

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#6 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 4:19:16 PM(UTC)
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Hello,
Is that last Zahirshahi rug recent production? That's interesting to me, because I have one that looks very similar, also wool on silk, and I did not know where it was made.

I think the rug you called a "king rug" would also be called a Zahir Shah.
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#7 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 11:15:28 PM(UTC)
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Hello,

I do have difficulty judging age in some of these carpets. The first few times I went into this particular rug seller's shop, he only had new rugs. He had several new rugs from Maser-e-Sharif and Konduz, Afghanistan, wool on cotton, that I liked very much, but I only want to get rugs that are at least 60 or so years old, and not on cotton. I told him that if he could find an older one of the same type pattern, that I would be interested.

A few weeks later, he contacted me and said he had some. When I showed up at the shop, he had four that were very similar to the Zahirshahi that I posted. He said they ranged in age from 40 to 80 years. The other three were wool on wool, and this was the only one that was wool on silk. Of the four, it also had the highest knot count and was the most expensive. He said it was 80 years old.

The last image that I previously posted, shows the back of a corner of it and detail of the fringe. There is some faint red showing through on the fringe from where the rug has been cleaned up and some of the end removed. One of the other rugs of this pattern that he showed me, had more removed which actually cut into the field of the rug pattern more. I wouldn't think someone would make a rug like these, then go to this extent to make them look worn, especially when the prices for any of them weren't over $2000.00.

I am open to ideas on age from anyone else.

Thanks

Below, is one of the new rugs he has, of which I would like to find an old one. This one is from Maser-e-Sharif. I don't know the history of pattern other than he said it is from that town.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:46:19 AM(UTC)
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the Zahishahi I have, pictured, was purchased in Iran in the early 1970's, so it is at least 40 years old, but beyond that I cannot say. As you may see in the picture, it has some serious condition problems including badly bleeding red dye, especially on the top (left in the photo). One curious thing about it is that is has two little sections of what look like script in the upper corners. I attached a close-up of one. I don't think the script is readable and don't know what it means. I bought this rug for little $, and as an experiment chemically removed the bleeding red color and re-dyed the whole thing orange. It no longer looks like these pictures!

All I can say about the Maser-e-sharif rug you pictured is that it has a lot of Turkman design elements, like the borders
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:59:27 AM(UTC)
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The close similarity between my two Zahirshahi rugs did not register with me until you commented on them. The 'King rug' was from a different seller, and that was the term he used to describe it. I now see that they are the same pattern.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 2:03:08 PM(UTC)
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After doing some figuring... at 576 kpi, this 5'x7' Sahirshahi rug comes out to 1451 knots per US dollar at a purchase price of $2000. I don't know how long it takes a weaver to tie 1451 knots, but factoring in the cost of the silk, wool and die, plus the profit margin for the rug seller, that doesn't leave much of a salary for the weaver.

My wife is from a small rice farming village in northeast Thailand, and I have watched her sister and other ladies in the village make their own silk fabric, starting with the feeding of the silk worms and ending with them weaving it into cloth on their looms. I would imagine the weavers of these rugs do much the same in producing their own wool and maybe even silk? It is mind boggling. I know that in my wife's village, a 1.3 meter x 2.5 meter piece of hand woven and died silk will sell for about $35.00 to $45.00. A lot of time and effort goes into making it. No one in the western world would be able to justify that much work for so little profit.


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#11 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 2:14:05 PM(UTC)
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The above two photos show my wife's sister spinning silk from silkworm cocoons. They put a bunch of cocoons in boiling water, and as you can see in the next photo, many cocoons go into each silk thread. They love to eat the boiled silkworm larva at the end of the process.
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