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#1 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:26:42 PM(UTC)
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This rug is 9 x 12. It does have heavy creases, but I do not know if this is really bad or normal for its age? It has a tag on the back but I didn't find any information on dating it. The tag is worn, but notes "Teprac Wilton Rug", "Jacquard process", "Pattern: 845", "M. J. Whittall Associates", and "Antique Persian Design". On the Ebay board, people felt this rug's S&H would probably be more than it is worth. I thought about perhaps putting it on Craigslist, but I wouldn't even begin to know how much to ask for it. Any thoughts would be terrific! Thank you in advance!

Size: 107 1/2" x 141 1/2" (excluding fringe)
Fringe: 3"
Weight: 49 pounds

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#2 Posted : Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:49:33 PM(UTC)
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Would more or different photographs aid anyone in helping with this rug? Basically, I would love it if anyone could give advice on rather or not it would be worth trying to list on Ebay. The thought of trying to find a way to ship this monster is daunting and it looks like UPS ground may be the only way. Finding a sturdy enough box and such might also be difficult. These are all things I really do not want to invest in if the value of the rug would not be worth the effort. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated... even if it is only "don't bother listing it"! :) Thank you in advance!
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#3 Posted : Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:17:08 PM(UTC)
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Forget the box idea. Rugs from dealers come rolled and wrapped in heavy duty plastic sheeting. It's very durable and I never get the packages ripped. It's a great product.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:21:04 PM(UTC)
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If you are thinking of listing on eBay, there is absolutely no reason not to. Everything you can name and a lot you can't is for sale and sold in the rug area of ebay. If you have not done so, you might spend a few hours looking at a LOT of rugs on eBay, looning at a few auctions, watching some prices, just get the flow of it. There is some real garbage on there and some great stuff too. One question I have, but I can't tell for sure. The fringe on this rug, has it been added to the rug or is it original? for some reason it looks added. If it is added, you would need to list that in the add. and show more pictures, especially if there are any problems. And show the back side of the fringe. Good luck!
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#5 Posted : Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:52:47 PM(UTC)
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Thank you for the replies and advice KrowGyrl! I never thought about using heavy duty plastic sheeting. I will certainly look into that! I do not know how to tell if the rug fringe was added later or not. I looked at the batch of pictures I took of the rug and I do not have one that would show the underneath fringe well enough to get an opinion. Since my camera battery is dead at the moment, I will try to get a photo of it tomorrow and post it. Thank you again for the information and help!
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#6 Posted : Thursday, August 14, 2008 6:17:55 PM(UTC)
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I completely agree with Krow on the following:

Yes to thick plastic wrapping,
yes to everything is worth posting on ebay once

The only thing I would like to add about the shipping is this rug is probably about a 1/2 - 3/4 pound per sqare foot, roughly 50- 75 lbs. I'm just guessing. The weight is not so much of an issue as the dimensions. If the rug is healthy, you may want to fold and roll it like this here, only because UPS and other ground carriers double price sometimes when length exceeds 7'10". This is a major reason why a lot of machine made rugs like central oriental program in sizes 7'10x11'2". It's just more economical.

As for this rug, these wilton pieces you never know who wants to put a big bid. There are collectors out there for specific age machine made rugs who may be willing to spend. For this rug, I would note everything that is on the label.

Also, design I have to look at more carefully, but the general feel of the rug reminds me very much of Caesaria rugs from Turkey, especially the use in colors. Rugs in general are very worldly, taking designs from many different types of carpets and merging them into one. Don't quote me on this, but the field and border have Palmettes like a 1920's allover kerman rug. The linking in the border look similar to designs seen in more nw persian tribal rugs. The allover field which continues throughout is not entirely disimilar to antique sultanabad rugs.
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#7 Posted : Friday, August 15, 2008 4:38:29 AM(UTC)
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I guess it's time for me to show some ignorance d'oh!

The power looms "of old" typically produced a product 3 feet wide. These strips were then sewn together to create larger peices. What we now know as wall to wall carpet began in just this fashion, with those strips being sewn together on site. (of course now it is commonly machine tufted but that's many years later.)

I have a catalog from a flooring, furniture and wall covering store from 1912. (including many wonderful color plates!) Many, many patterns were available in wilton as well as axminster. (There is even mention of the 3 ft seams.)
The rug discussed here shows 4 strips from the back but to be 9 feet, these strips would be 2 feet 4 inches wide when the looms produced product 3 feet wide. (Ever wonder where "square yard" pricing came from?)

I would be grateful for additional history lesson here.....surely one of you can educate me. Angel

Oh, just an aside,
in that catalog, there were axminster rugs for $17.50 per 9x12 including free shipping.Drool
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#8 Posted : Friday, August 15, 2008 12:31:58 PM(UTC)
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I like the smilies.:d/

That's incredible about the catalog and pricing. I only have experience in hand knotted, so i know i have learning to do too1Applause
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