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Just purchased this from a Turkman dealer in Islamabad. very interesting design. 1 meter x 2 meters. 64 kpsi, 9 colors, wool on wool. 2 ply. estimated at 160 yrs...really? what do you think?
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do you have more photos? does not appear to my eye as the stated estimated age
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attached is another photo. hope this helps. I'm having a bit of trouble posting pics to the site Steve C attached the following image(s):
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just checking to see if folks have any further thoughts on the origin and age of this rug. thanks
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Please carefully review photographs needed in posting to the forum. We need back side with a ruler, selvages and fringe going into the rug.
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Of course. thank you..I'm still new at all this. you will notice a white sleeve on the back, which if for hanging the rug. Steve C attached the following image(s):
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This is the kind of rug which is best seen in person by someone who knows the type very well as many of these carpets were made with the same style, types of dyes and weave for many years. My hunch is that this is no older than 70 years and I am not saying it is even necessarily that old
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Thanks! In my limited experience I've yet to see a Turkman with this particular design. It is a bit unusual and clearly not a classic design/gul except for the border motiff, i.e., the "s". I'll keep asking around as you suggest.
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it looks like a tree of life type motif of repeated vase design. similar renditions are seen in much older rugs
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thanks. Are vase / tree of life renditions done in older Turkmen carpets, becuase I've not seen one at all in the carpet books and shops I've visited? or do you mean this motif in general.
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I totally agree with RugPro - in my oppinion it is not even 50 years old.
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Thank you for the opinions and now it will be an interesting conversation with my carpet dealer.
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